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Understanding Islam, mohammad and angelic behaviors of peace

JANUARY 10, 2011 · 12:15 AM
“American vs Muslim: Is there a clash of Identity” by Sheikh Yasir Qadhi
 Sheikh Yasir Qadhi answers the mind troubling questions of American Muslim Identity: Can you be a Muslim and be an American at the same time? Is there a clash? Is it permissible for a Muslim to have his/her allegiance to a nation-state. What are you first? An American or a Muslim?

Do Muslims have to live in a Islamic State? Can Muslims live in a Kufr State (non-Islamic or non-Muslim State), use the kufr system to defend themselves in the Kufr State? What is the difference between the concept of Ummah andQaumiyat (nation or community)?

Muslims residing in the Non-Muslim nation-state, can they be patriotic to their country? Is America a Christian State? What American Muslims should say if some one asks them that why are they in America?

Can American Muslims be loyal to America? Is there a clash of loyalty between Islam and America? Can American Muslims be proud Muslims and patriotic Americans at the same time? And is this permissible in Islam?

This video is beneficial for everyone- Muslims and not Muslims, Americans and not Americans, American Muslims and General Americans, Islamists, Nationalist and what ever “ists” you call yourself.

This video addresses the very important issue out in Public just like the Ulema (Islamic Religious Scholars) in early 1900′s did in South Asia. Indian Ulema went through these kinds of debates, discussion and discourses about being Muslims in the newly found concept of Nation-state.

Disagreement among the Indian Ulema resulted in mainly two groups. 1st group of Ulema supported the unified Indian, where Maulana Abul Hasan Ali Nadwiand Abul Kalam Azad were at the forefront. 2nd group of Ulema supported the Pakistan Movement, where Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani, Students of Mawlana Ashraf Ali Thanwi are famous names from famous Islamic SeminaryDarululoom Deoband, while Mawlana Mawdudi supported Pakistan Movement with caution towards the Muslim League.

Many other groups and movements in Pakistan and Middle East then sprang up around 1950′s that propagated skewed and unorthodox concepts about Shariahand Islamic State, those ideas have affected the thinking of Western Muslims and the Easterners since then.

This is a very good sign the Sheikh Yasir Qadhi came out in public and spoke intellectually on a topic that has been in long discussion for past half century and a very hot topic in online forums.

21 Responses to “American vs Muslim: Is there a clash of Identity” by Sheikh Yasir Qadhi

  1. Paul Marcel-Rene
    February 3, 2011 at 6:33 AM
    No, compliance with the true understanding of Islam is completely incompatible with being a good citizen or resident of America or the “western world”. Shariah Law is completely incompatible with being a good citizen or resident of America or the “western world”

    Introduction: Tenets of Shariah Law

    Shariah-Islamic Law is a military political doctrine written 1,200 years ago by Islamic authorities. The believers of Shariah-Islamic Law have created a movement like Apartheid in which a minority oppresses a majority.

    The goal of authoritative Shariah-Islamic Law is to establish a one-world militant political Islam through Jihad. There are three forms of Jihad: Violent, Cultural, and Financial.

    Shariah is not a religion. It was created centuries after the written Koran, Islam’s holy book. Just because a person is Muslim and therefore follows the Islamic faith, it does not necessarily mean he or she supports or chooses to live under Shariah. Many Muslims are brutally oppressed under Shariah-Islamic Law.

    Today, Shariah is the law of the land in Iran, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, and parts of Nigeria and Indonesia. It is the ultimate authority among the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hizbullah.

    There is NO freedom of religion, equal rights, children’s rights or freedom of speech under Shariah-Islamic Law. Criticism of Islam or leaving the faith of Islam is a crime punishable by death. Forced child marriages, the beating of disobedient wives, public hanging of gays, and persecution of those who do not believe in Islam (Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, others) are tenets of Shariah law.

    Tenets of Shariah-Islamic Law (From Reliance of The Traveler: The Classic Manual of Sacred Law, the authoritative Sha’afi school compendium of shari’a jurisprudence.)

    Sharia on family law:

    * Women are eligible for only half of the inheritance of men
    * Virgins may be married against their will by a father or grandfather
    * Arab women may not marry non-Arab men
    * Women may not leave the house without a husband’s permission
    * Muslim men may marry 4 women, including Christians and Jews; Muslim women may marry Muslims
    * Men may beat insubordinate wives

    Sharia on Jihad and religion:

    * Offensive war (military Jihad) against non-Muslims is a religious obligation
    * Apostasy from Islam is punishable by death without trial
    * Non-Muslims ruled by Islam must follow including discriminatory “dhimmi” taxes and laws.
    * Non-Muslims may not receive Muslim charity “zakat”, but may be bribed to convert to Islam but
    * Lying to infidels during Jihad, or to promote Islam, is permissible

    Sharia on human rights:

    * Homosexuals and lesbians must be killed
    * Slavery is permitted and legitimate
    * Muslim men have unlimited sexual rights over slave women, even married slaves
    * Female sexual mutilation (cliterectomy) is obligatory
    * Adultery is punished with death by stoning
    * Women’s testimony in court is worth half that of men (and is permitted only in property cases)
    * Non-Muslims may not testify in Shariah courts.

    CREEPING SHARIAH-ISLAMIC LAW

    The Shariah Supremacy movement does not have the goal of hacking off limbs and stoning women in the West. The goal of the Shariah political movement is to have political Islam become an important component of Western life, bringing with it: Shariah courts to maintain patriarchal power in the family structure, censorship of speech and press to eliminate “racism and discrimination” against Islam; control of western economies through investment by dictating “un-Islamic” and “Islamic” industries, and elevating the political importance of Islam far above any other religion.

    umersultan
  2. February 3, 2011 at 2:46 PM
    First, thank you for teaching me about my religion.

    Second, I have nothing to say because everything that you have said has no foundation in Islam.
    You said: “There are three forms of Jihad: Violent, Cultural, and Financial.” You have no evidence of such uninformed statement & I don’t want to go on like this.

    Please check other posts regarding Shariahhttp://umersultan.wordpress.com/tag/sharia/

    Especially this: http://dawudwalid.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/what-is-shariah/

    What you need to do is get yourself educated about Islam from authentic sources rather than the Islamophobes!

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  3. Paul Marcel-Rene
    February 3, 2011 at 9:32 PM
    @umersultan There is no error in what was posted. All of it is completely accurate and comes directly from accepted authentic Islamic scholars, just not from Islamic Apologists that are obeying their religion through Taqiyya. When Osama bin Laden says Islam will dominate the world and that all is justified by the Qu’ran, Hadith, Sunnah/Sunnat and Islamic Apologists say Islam is a religion of peace, it is bin Laden who is being truthful.

    And before you find it necessary to start quoting the Qu’ran about its peaceful Suras, they are subject to abrogation.

    It is because Christians, and many Muslims, do not understand this doctrine of abrogation coupled with the nonchronological order of the Quran that they do not understand what is going on in the Islamic world at this time. On the one hand, many Islamic leaders will claim that their religion is a peaceful one, and quote passages from the Quran to prove it. On the other hand, other Islamic leaders will call for terrorism and jihad and base their call on the same Quran. Most of us would view this a simple matter of how the Quran is interpreted, but such is not the case. The peaceful passages within the Quran are found in the early days of Muhammad’s recitations, during a time when he felt that his new religion would be a unifying factor among “People of the Book” (Jews, Christians and Muslims). When his doctrine was ultimately rejected by Jews and Christians he turned on them and “was given” new “revelations” of war and hate to replace the former ones of peace. The surahs, which teach jihad against Jews, Christians and unbelievers, are all found in the later time frame of the Quran. Passages of a later date include 2:190-193,216; 4:74,89,91,95,101-102; 5:33,51; 8:12,39,60,65,67,69; 9:5,29,30,73; 47:4; 59:2-4,5,14 and 61:4. While such passages are scattered throughout the Quran, they are all chronologically of later origin and have, according to the doctrine of abrogation, replaced the former teachings on peace.

    • umersultan
      February 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM
      Bin Laden is not a Islamic Scholar, your statement tells me much about you.

      May God Guide you!

      umersultan
    • February 3, 2011 at 10:44 PM
      I understand well about what Abrogation is but it is certainly not the way you have understood.

      If you are interested to have a basic understanding of this topic read this:

      “Ulum Al-Quran: An Introduction to the Sciences of the Quran” by Ahmad Von Denffer

  4. Paul Marcel-Rene
    February 3, 2011 at 10:51 PM
    No bin Laden is not a scholar at all. Nor did I imply he is. Rather when he states “Islam will dominate the world and that all is justified by the Qu’ran, Hadith, Sunnah/Sunnat ” he is correctly stating the correct understanding of Islam.

    I have a correct understanding of Abrogation, but will attempt to find a copy of the book you recommend to determine its accuracy on this subject.

    Are you aware of any online links for a free copy? I doubt my local library would have a copy.

    • umersultan
      February 4, 2011 at 12:01 AM
      I read this book from the Local Library, you should be able to get it through WorldCat Library Loan.

      Christians believes in Christianity Dominating the world too!

      I don’t see the problem with the word “Domination.” If people want to believe in something without compulsion then what is the problem.

      As far as Abrogation is concerned it is not based on the time line of the verse. It is based on the occasion the verse is revealed. Islam is not based on the last revealed verses! Each verse was revealed on a specific occasion and it has to be interpreted keeping that in mind and thus it is the job of the people who have dedicated their lives to Islam.

      Bin Laden can use the verses as he wish, he will be answerable to God just like every other human being will be. Just like Christian Terrorist may bomb the Abortion Clinics and target and kill the Doctors by justifying their act from the Holy Bible, but at the end they will be answerable to God. Jesus & Muhammad, peace be upon them, are free from the insanity of these Nuts.

      • Paul Marcel-Rene
        February 4, 2011 at 6:57 AM
        No, Christians do not believe in Christianity dominating the world. In fact, it is is the opposite. Christians believe there will be opposition and false doctrines of the adversary throughout the world until the second coming of the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

        And, contrary to the Sura that states there is no compulsion in religion, that Mohammad replaced through abrogation, Islam does compel.

        We both know the Suras and Hadith that specifically tells to subjugate all who do not accept Islam, kill those who fight this subjugation, that all who apostatize and speak out against Islam are to be killed, etc etc.

        But, you are correct, those nuts that bomb abortion clinics as well as those who do the abortions, will face the judgment of God. All who kill will.

        There is a big difference though. These abortion terrorists are in complete contradiction of the Christian Bible. The Islamic terrorists are in fact complying with the teachings of the Qu’ran and Mohammad. Both will come before God and Jesus to be judged.

      • umersultan
        February 5, 2011 at 1:49 PM
        See this is what you say but these Christian Terrorists who bomb Abortion clinics do it based on Bible and so did the KKK lynched every Black man and woman, burned their churches down in the name of Bible.

        Please don’t teach me about the world history, I have studied. No one can turn the face by saying the massacre of Jews and Muslims in Jerusalem was not committed by Crusaders in the name of Christ. What British and other European Colonialist did to the world under the name of “White Man’s Burden” was all in the name of Christ.

        The difference is, Muslims in general understand the difference between what Jesus peace be upon him taught and the Christians who have committed crimes against Humanity. No one can deny the Inquisition was not done in the name of Christ, forcible converting Jews and Muslims, or expelling or killing them in Spanish, while the Muslim Spain encouraged the Christians and Jewish scholars to come contribute to Al-Andulus. Ever heard of Maimonide? You might want to read into his life.

        Christians started believing in “Christianity dominating the world” since Christianity became the official religion of Rome by Constantine. Christian Missionaries accompanied all the Colonialist to “civilize” the savages of the Africa, Asia, Latin America, “New World” called North America, China, South-East Asia. The difference is we Muslims don’t go about targetting and associating lies to Jesus Christ for crimes committed by the Christians.

        Make sure you go through the links I posted. In time, God-Willing you may realize that the world is very different from what you have come to know!
        May God guide us all, Ameen.

  5. Zayn
    February 4, 2011 at 8:33 PM
    People have grossly taken the ayahs’ meaning out of content. I suggest you do not just quote verses without reading the surrounding verses. Context clues seem to disappear when people interpret the Quran.

    Everyone will be judged according to intentions, whether they be Muslim or Christian or Jew. No one has the right to judge another, or to criticize beliefs without any factual evidence.

    Islam is a religion of peace, and will remain so until the end of time. Those who use violence and claim it is “Islamic” are not to be called Muslims.

    • umersultan
      February 5, 2011 at 2:00 PM
      “Those who use violence and claim it is “Islamic” are not to be called Muslims.”

      I would disagree with this statement. How can we say they are Not Muslims? A Muslim is a person who believes in the message revealed to Muhammad, peace be upon him. So unless one crosses the boundary laid down in Islam, one cannot be labelled “Not Muslim!” This is a very serious thing.

      They are Muslims, but they are misguided! Thats what we should say!

  6. Paul Marcel-Rene
    February 6, 2011 at 3:39 AM
    No, there is nothing what so ever in the Bible that permits Terrorists to bomb Abortion clinics not the wicked KKK to kill anyone or burn a church.

    As for The Crusades:

    Muslims love talking about the Crusades… and Christians love apologizing for them. To hear both parties tell the story, one would believe that Muslims were just peacefully minding their own business in lands that were legitimately Muslim when Christian armies decided to wage holy war and “kill millions.”

    The Truth:

    Every part of this myth is a lie. By the rules that Muslims claim for themselves, the Crusades were perfectly justified, and the excesses (though beneath Christian standards) pale in comparison with the historical treatment of conquered populations at the hands of Muslims.

    Here are some quick facts…

    The first Crusade began in 1095… 460 years after the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies, 457 years after Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim armies, 453 years after Egypt was taken by Muslim armies, 443 after Muslims first plundered Italy, 427 years after Muslim armies first laid siege to the Christian capital of Constantinople, 380 years after Spain was conquered by Muslim armies, 363 years after France was first attacked by Muslim armies, 249 years after Rome itself was sacked by a Muslim army, and only after centuries of church burnings, killings, enslavement and forced conversions of Christians.

    By the time the Crusades finally began, Muslim armies had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world.

    Europe had been harassed by Muslims since the first few years following Muhammad’s death. As early as 652, Muhammad’s followers launched raids on the island of Sicily, waging a full-scale occupation 200 years later that lasted almost a century and was punctuated by massacres, such as that at the town of Castrogiovanni, in which 8,000 Christians were put to death. In 1084, ten years before the first crusade, Muslims staged another devastating Sicilian raid, burning churches in Reggio, enslaving monks and raping an abbey of nuns before carrying them into captivity.

    In 1095, Byzantine Emperor, Alexius I Comneus began begging the pope in Rome for help in turning back the Muslim armies which were overrunning what is now Turkey, grabbing property as they went and turning churches into mosques. Several hundred thousand Christians had been killed in Anatolia alone in the decades following 1050 by Seljuk invaders interested in ‘converting’ the survivors to Islam.

    Not only were Christians losing their lives in their own lands to the Muslim advance but pilgrims to the Holy Land from other parts of Europe were being harassed, kidnapped, molested, forcibly converted to Islam and occasionally murdered. (Compare this to Islam’s justification for slaughter on the basis of Muslims being denied access to the Meccan pilgrimage in Muhammad’s time).

    The Crusaders only invaded lands that were Christian. They did not attack Saudi Arabia (other than a half-hearted expedition by a minor figure) or sack Mecca as the Muslims had done (and continued doing) to Italy and Constantinople. Their primary goal was the recapture of Jerusalem and the security of safe passage for pilgrims. The toppling of the Muslim empire was not on the agenda.

    The period of Crusader “occupation” (of its own former land) was stretched over less than two centuries. (The Arab occupation is in its 1,380th year).

    Despite popular depiction, the Crusades were not a titanic battle between Christianity and Islam. Although originally dispatched by papal decree, the “occupiers” quickly became part of the political and economic fabric of the Middle East without much regard for religious differences. Their arrival was largely accepted by the local population as simply another change in authority. Muslim radicals even lamented the fact that many of their co-religionists preferred to live under Frankish (Christian) rule than migrate to Muslim lands.

    The Islamic world was split into warring factions, many of which allied themselves with the Frankish princes against each other at one time or another. This even included Saladin, the Kurdish warrior who is credited with eventually ousting the “Crusaders.” Contrary to recent propaganda, however, Saladin had little interest in holy war until a rogue Frankish prince began disrupting his trade routes. Both before and after the taking of Jerusalem, his armies spent far more time and resources battling fellow Muslims.

    For its part, the Byzantine (Eastern Christian) Empire preferred to have little to do with the Crusaders and went so far as to sign treaties with their rivals.

    Another misconception is that the Crusader era was a time of constant war. In fact, very little of this overall period included significant hostilities. In response to Muslim expansion or aggression, there were only about 20 years of actual military campaigning, much of which was spent on organization and travel. (They were from 1098-1099, 1146-1148, 1188-1192, 1201-1204, 1218-1221, 1228-1229, and 1248-1250). By comparison, the Muslim Jihad against the island of Sicily alone lasted 75 grinding years.

    Unlike Jihad, the Crusades were never justified on the basis of New Testament teachings. This is why they are an anomaly, the brief interruption of centuries of relentless Jihad against Christianity that began long before the Crusades and continued well after they were over.

    The greatest crime of the Crusaders was the sacking of Jerusalem, in which 30,000 people were said to have been massacred. This number is dwarfed by the number of Jihad victims, from India to Constantinople, Africa and Narbonne, but Muslims have never apologized for their crimes and never will.

    What is called ‘sin and excess’ by other religions, is what Islam refers to as the will of Allah.

    Yes, I am aware of the Inquisition and Maimonide. And, yes there were errors made. Again, these were done in direct opposition to the Bible. There is no support for the excesses of the Inquisition in the Bible.

    As for colonialist taking Christian missionaries with them, that makes perfect sense. The great commission is for all Christians to teach the truth to all who do not know it, about the nature of the One True God and His Son Jesus Christ. It is what I am doing this exact moment and what every true Christian should be doing, sharing the news of salvation and eternal life with all who do not know these truths.

    We do agree on correcting Zayn regarding that he/she who identifies themself as Muslim are Muslim. And I most definately agree that those practicing jihad/stealth or silent jihad or any violence are misguided, BUT they are not misunderstanding Islam, the Qu’ran or the sayings and behaviors of Mohammad.

    • umersultan
      February 6, 2011 at 6:49 PM
      If Crusaders were following the Bible or were so justifies then why they sacked Constantinople and put a whore on the pulpit of the Orthodox Church.

      You should read: “Two Faiths One Banner” by Ian Almond the Holy War of Catholicism will get into perspective.

      So you say that KKK was not following Bible and the Inquisition was not following Bible, but thats interesting because they were citing Biblical verses as well, or other time its interpretation. So does those Evangelical Terrorist do when bombing Abortion clinics.

      Any way, you should study more into the verses that “preach violence” in the Holy Quran, when they were revealed & what occasion were they revealed and what Authentic Islamic Scholars say about these verses.

      Regarding Extremism and Terrorism read this: “Islamic Awakening between Rejection and Extremism” by Yusuf al-Qaradawi. Online read here: http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/Q_RE/index.htm

  7. MahaMuslimah
    March 15, 2011 at 12:01 PM
    @Paul Marcel-Rene:

    Learn your facts from a law professor (working at Boston College Law School and at Harvard) who teaches American law AND Islamic law.
    Lay off the Fox news.
    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/03/rabb_interview.html

    • Paul Marcel-Rene
      April 13, 2011 at 7:04 AM
      I would be willing to teach this professor so that he can correctly teach his students. Just because his positions are great, does not mean he is correct. When I attended college, many professors had serious errors in subjects being taught. When I taught college classes, the correct information was taught.

      As for Fox News, I’m much more likely to be watching Al-Jazzeria, than Fox. Of course, I have a correct understanding to filter the propaganda of any “news” from any source. Stealth Jihad fails to deceive some of us.

      • MahaMuslimah
        April 13, 2011 at 10:58 AM
        @Paul Marcel-Rene. The Link I sent to you is of a female professor. Shows how well you read…
  8. Paul Marcel-Rene
    April 13, 2011 at 12:21 PM
    Yes, it was. I mistyped on my smart phone. The point is the same regardless of the gender. But, thank you for pointing out the error. I also spelled Al-Jazeera, due to my phone’s auto correct feature. You didn’t catch that error.
    • MahaMuslimah
      April 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM
      @Paul,

      You cannot ignore the fact that many Muslims do not feel compelled into these practices you have stated (none of which have foundation in Quran or Sunnah, but rather twisted cultural practices!). Many Muslims who are American do not find contradiction in these two identities. You cannot just ignore reality. I will share with you my own blog where I, a practicing AMERICAN MUSLIM, have found nothing but an amazing balance between my faith and nationality:http://mahamuslimah.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/american-first-muslim-first-no-contradiction/

      Paul, you have made many statements that have no basis in Islamic teaching (i.e. genital mutilations (!?), women traveling without permission, requirement of violent jihad, not giving zakaat to non-Muslims (!?), forbidding Arab women to marry non-Arabs (!?), forced marriages, rape of slaves, and so on). These are cultural practices, and have NO foundation in Quranic teaching. Many of these conditions were already present in the historical context of the prophet. I am sure you know that Islam did NOT invent, implement nor encourage slavery! The same goes for polygamy! Islam did not invent, implement nor encourage polygamy! In fact, it made a limit to the polygamous abuse AND is the only religion that says ‘only have one spouse if you cannot be fair” and it goes on to state “no, you can never be fair”. In fact, there is much evidence in Quran that expresses Allah’s disgust with oppression and the enslavement of other human beings–Muslim or non; enslaved or free.

      As a convert who has learned Islam from its sources (Quran and Sunnah), I am appalled and disgusted that some so-called “Islamic nations” oppress their people in the ways they do.

      Shariah, for regular-ol’ Muslims (not those with agendas), means “the way” and includes “the ways” in which we perform ablution, pray, fast, pay zakaat. It has more to do with lifestyle than some kind of doctrine that governs the land. I do not even find basis in Quran that encourages Muslims to “dominate” the world. We are encouraged to teach others about Islam, but definitely not force anyone! Anything done under compulsion–by force–does not even count as legitimate (this includes forced conversion, forced marriage, etc) In Quran, there is encouragement to live in a society peacefully with others of diverse beliefs. Read Surah al-kafirun (“Say to those who reject faith, I do not worship what you worship. You do not worship what I worship. And I shall not worship what you worship and you shall not worship what I worship. Unto you is your religion, Unto me is my religion”). This surah recognizes religious diversity and a requirement for Muslims to deal in the BEST manner with others despite their beliefs!

      Even you mentioned that:
      “Shariah is not a religion. It was created centuries after the written Koran, Islam’s holy book. Just because a person is Muslim and therefore follows the Islamic faith, it does not necessarily mean he or she supports or chooses to live under Shariah. Many Muslims are brutally oppressed under Shariah-Islamic Law.”

      Shariah–as a legal system–is an invention to Islam. And I would agree, some Muslims AND non-Muslims are brutally oppressed under so called “Islamic law”. And this is disgusting to me and other Muslims who truly believe in the mercy of God, read Quran, practice Islam. In no way is oppression and hatred toward any individual OK (whether Muslim or non-Muslim)!

      It doesn’t even bother me that you say the things you have said. Mainly because I have studied Quran and know there is no foundation nor tolerance for this within the religion. And I am SURE you have not taken time to read Quran from cover to cover. Have you read sunnah (the life of the prophet? How about his teachings? And the ways in which he spoke to and treated his wives? I am sure you have not sat down to talk to a brother or sister and ASK them how THEY feel about these atrocities going on around the world! I have never met a Muslim who has even sympathized with the abuse of these screwed up governments! I am not talking about American Muslims, American converts! I am talking about individuals from the Middle East who recognize the corruption in their government. Corruption of power and religion, Paul.

      I honestly, honestly encourage you to read Quran. More so, I encourage you to go to library and find unbiased sources regarding the prophet’s life.

  9. Paul Marcel-Rene
    April 13, 2011 at 1:43 PM
    My friend, I have read the Qu’ran. I have spoken with many Muslims from around the world, both converts and “born” Muslim. I have read the life of Mohammad and all that he spoke. I have studied extensively the historical context of the Qu’ran and the culture to which Islam began. Perhaps your intentions are pure, but this does not change the facts. You still have much to learn about Islam before you will truly understand its true nature and the true theology behind it. May this process of discovering the truth be short and painless.
    • MahaMuslimah
      April 13, 2011 at 1:51 PM
      With your knowledge of “truth”, how is it that you manage to have so many unfounded statement in your posts? Do not patronize me.
    • umersultan
      April 14, 2011 at 8:32 AM
      Paul, you haven’t cited a single source of your claims, and I think that sums up how much well informed you are about Islam and Muslims.

      You should be bold enough to cite the books and authors from whom you have gained these very wonderful insight of Islam that has no bases in the Quran or the Sunnah of the Prophet, peace be upon him.

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My input about Dearborn and Mohammad and Terry Jones

Mayor O’Reilly: An Open Letter to Pastor Jones

Dearborn Mayor Jack O’Reilly sends a message to the Quran-burning Florida Pastor Terry Jones about Dearborn and the Constitution.

  • April 20, 2011
Dear Pastor Jones:

I watched you on television speaking about the Constitution and Dearborn, and it appears you need more information about both before you come to our city.  I can provide insight on the Constitution, and expertise on Dearborn.

First of all, Dearborn supports the Constitution as well as any city in America. Our commitment to the Constitution is unwavering, not merely convenient, which makes your hyperbole about Sharia Law being practiced in the courts or civil law of Dearborn nonsensical. So, you are coming to protest against an imaginary threat that doesn’t exist in our community. Not in our courts, not at our City Hall, not on our streets and not in any of our places of worship.

Still, because we do understand the Constitution here, we are not preventing you from expressing your free speech. In fact, in Dearborn, we’ve even gone one step farther than most communities in support of free speech. We established, by ordinance, “Permit Free Zones” intended for demonstrations and free speech.

One of those zones is at City Hall, where from my office I have heard many rallies being conducted in response to international, national or regional issues. This is a high-visibility spot, seen by thousands of motorists but safe from traffic, with plenty of public space for protestors, supporters and the media. It is where we are asking you to conduct your demonstration. The steps of City Hall can even make an impressive platform for speeches.

And, if you are unhappy with what you think is going on in Dearborn, then what better place to protest than with City Hall as the back drop?

Instead you insist on protesting in an area that has no public property to accommodate crowds, spectators, parking or the media. There is just a small public road with limited access which can’t be blocked and an adjacent grassy area for drainage. It is parallel to a major state road, but the small shoulder can accommodate people only when they have auto emergencies.

And, this property you are focusing on, in front of the Islamic Center of America, is also adjacent to four Christian churches, all of which will be hosting Good Friday services, adding to the traffic flow and congestion. It is ironic that the road that you want to protest near is called Altar Road, so named because it was first constructed to provide access to a row of churches constructed in the 1950s reflecting Dearborn’s diverse faith communities.

But I can understand if you don’t know the details of the site, or the particulars about Dearborn. But you should know about the Constitution that you claim to be defending.

The Constitution says that your rights must be balanced with the rights of others under the same document. Your free speech rights do not allow you to trespass on the private property of others or prevent them from the Constitutional right to freely practice their religion. I am not just talking about Muslims, but members of all faiths.

The members of the Christian churches on Altar Road asked me last week if they should cancel their Good Friday services because of your planned visit. I assured them that they should not because the Constitution does not allow you to violate their rights. I don’t know why you selected Good Friday, but it wasn’t very considerate of the significant Christian services being held at that time. I assure you that you will not make them forfeit their services.

You claim that you are coming to protest the radicalism of Islam. Like all of America, we are concerned about the radicalization of any religion that would rationalize extreme actions. However we have not let this concern turn into a twisted paranoia that promotes fear-mongering and misleading generalizations.  You state that you are coming to the Islamic Center of America because it is the largest mosque in America. What does that have to do with the radicalism of Islam? While size may matter to you, we prefer to focus on actual behavior. And according to our Police Department and the anti-terrorism agencies they work with, there has never been evidence of any wrongdoing in any of Dearborn’s mosques.

It appears your choice of the Islamic Center of America is not because it has any relationship to the stated object of your free speech, but because it symbolizes the Islamic faith in general. If so, that is not truly in line with the Constitution you say you are defending.

There is no Sharia Law in Dearborn, only Constitutional Law. Sharia Law is church- or faith-based law that is applicable only to the followers of that faith. For me it is Cannon Law of Catholicism, in Judaism it is Torah Law, and for Muslims it is Sharia Law. The actual originator of the event you plan to hold in Dearborn, Frank Fiorello of the Fraternal Order of the Dragon, accepted my invitation to learn more about Dearborn, and after seeing the truth, he canceled his protest.

But, if you don’t believe that Dearborn follows the Constitution, here are some realistic facts for you. Businesses in Dearborn lawfully meet the diverse needs of our Greater Detroit area, but if Dearborn practiced Sharia Law, would we have three adult entertainment bars and more alcohol licensed bars and restaurants per capita than most other cities? None of that should be allowed under Sharia Law.

How about this? A business we boast about, the nationally known Dearborn Sausage, opened more than 60 years ago across the street from the first mosque in Dearborn and is famous for its sausages and spiral-sliced hams. It is one of many meatpacking operations in our City and no one has ever objected.

Dearborn is also famous for The Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village, where more than 1.5 million visitors come each year from across the country and the world to learn about the foundations of our American way of life.

Dearborn is a diverse, safe and unified city that is addressing its future in a proactive manner. We cherish the American Dream that brought so many people here during the last century to earn a decent wage and enjoy a high quality of life thanks to Henry Ford and the Ford Motor Company. And for Dearborn, our success and our identity is tied to welcoming people of all backgrounds who have chosen to make America, and our community, their home. We are proud to have welcomed them.

As we work hard to balance your rights with the rights of others in Dearborn, you will be extended every courtesy during your visit–as long as you follow the law based on the Constitution’s protection of everyone’s rights. That should be a familiar statement to you.

You have said over and over that “Muslims are welcome as long as they follow the Constitution.” Surely, then, you wouldn’t ask less of yourself.

6:57 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011

The Mayor wasn’t promoting Dearborn’s ‘gentlemen’s’ clubs. He was just making the point that they, along with Dearborn Sausage, wouldn’t exist if Dearborn was actually ruled by Sharia law, as alleged by theignorant and uninformed outsiders.

terry Hoffner

7:10 pm on Tuesday, April 26, 2011

Ive drove past the houses of superstition bigotry and ignorance on many occassions, and there is more than enough space for an american to protest with several reporters to record the event.City hall can be used for a counter protest. If islam is a religion of peace,why the concern over violence, and why should we let religious fanatics in other parts of t world hold civilization hostage, with threats of violence over percieved slights. It offends me when the religious suggest children born outside of a religious ceremoney are illegitimate (the only bastards are the prophets of religion) but I dont go off the deep ….if the religious are going to claim a connection to a god, they should be thick skinned and level headed enough to withstand mockery and criticism.

9:03 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011

Living in Florida I was quite disappointed with Pastor Jones actions. I think perhaps he is more interested in his 15 minutes of fame than in human rights. Growing up in Detroit/Dearborn and going to catholic school in Dearborn Michigan, I can certainly appreciate Mayor O’Riley”s candid and to the point comments. Proud to be a former Dearbonite

Jim Gilleran

Mark

9:23 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011

Mayor hit it right on the nail! excellent!

nancy frazier

9:39 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011

Reason over fear…what a concept! I too grew up in Michigan and am proud to know the values I learned are still alive and well. Thank You Mayor O’Reilly.

Nancy Frazier

Mililani, Hi

mike fawaz

9:43 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011

Well said Mayor,from a Muslim who adheres only to the constitution of those great United States of America.God bless this country and its people as well as its flag.

Mohammad Fawaz

Dearborn,Mi.

Helen

10:36 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011

As a Muslim and Arab American and a life long Dearborn resident. I can attest that Dearborn is home to a diverse group of people who all love this country. Pastor Jones’ bogus statement is instrumental to all of the politicians that are also trying to use “Islamophobia” to gain popularity among the Right Wing Hate Mongering voters. What a shame! An invitation to Pastor Jones: After protesting, drive down to our great Arab American owned restaurants and bakeries and see the American dream in action! Countries in the mIddle East miht be our heritage, but America is defintley our country too! We love it here because of the rights that the Constitution allow us. This is the real truth!!!

Jamana

11:13 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011

Well said Mayor!! couldn’t have said it any better! this guy is just completely trying to get his 15min of fame! its sad that you take it to this level as far as Im concern your a devil worshiper because christians nor catholics or any other faith would focus on burning the quran and giving your word! your word of what normal christians and catholics dont act this way you must be an extremist yourself and you belong with all the other morans that act this way hopefully in heaven there will be a big pot an arrogant losers such as yourself will burn in hell! you are clearly a non believer in any religion; the demons have your soul its to late to even save you your brain is not here with us; what pastor states your coming to give your word and you have weapons?? wheres the peace in that? its okay moran get your 15min of fame on earth an i’ll see you in the afterlife laughin at you!

Diana Morgan

10:33 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Jamana

Don’t let this idiot push you to the point of rage because it gives the pastor pleasure to do that. I read the Mayor’s eloquent letter as a clear invitation that they could protest in an area that does not put the safety of Dearborn’s residents at risk. Ambulances, fire engines and police must get through Altar Rd. without impediment for emergency reasons. The residents of Dearborn have this right as well. They pay taxes for these services. Their needs must be protected so with ample warning pastor, move your group where you have been instructed to or face arrest. Civil disobedience, I think it is called. May God and Allah bless the mayor and his readers.

12:03 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Thank You Mayor O’Reilly. I believe this man forgot that we are all god’s people,we are all one; from Adam & Eve! and One day we are all going to stand to one Lord/God/Allah(swt).

He calls on the muslims extremist, maybe he himself needs to know what is the meaning of the word! “Extremism is any ideology or political act far outside the perceived political center of a society; or otherwise claimed to violate common moral standards. In democratic societies, individuals or groups that advocate the replacement of democracy with a authoritarian regime are usually branded extremists, in authoritarian societies the opposite applies.” I hope he enjoy’s his fame now, surely he is not going to enjoy it when he is standing infront of the Lord/God/Allah(swt).

Mohamad

1:45 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Mayor O’Reilly

You have showed a presidential quality in this article . Good job . proud to be a Dearbonite    (MY NOTE HERE:  Facepalm!)

Jacqueline

2:47 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

The Mayor was able to write what the whole community has been saying and feeling. These are words of reason and simple common sense. Pastor Jones should reflect on his own actions and words and realize that Jesus nor any prophet or religion would ever spread such an antagonistic and hateful message.

Thank you Mayor O’Reilly

Maymon

8:38 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Thank you Mr. Mayor for this open letter. As both a Muslim and someone who grew up in Dearborn, I am proud to see that our city is one of tolerance for all religions & ethnic backgrounds. We all live under one constitution and all follow the same rule of law. This man is looking for his 15 minutes of fame, and most everyone that has followed Mr. Jones know all but abandoned him. While I am not on who thinks this man should be coming to the city, he like every other American is entitled to visit, assemble, protest, and make speeches so as long as it doesn’t interfere with the rights of others. With the invitation for him to protest in the heart of Dearborn declined by Mr. Jones, he has demonstrated once again that his purpose here is nothing more than self promotion. Most educated and informed citizens be them Muslim, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, or otherwise can and will see right through this man. If we all make a concerted effort to pay this man no mind, his antics will go unnoticed and his message unheard. Thanks again Mr. Mayor, we appreciate your hard work.

Christine Johnson

8:46 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

AMEN ! Mayor O’Reilly !

Lila

9:15 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Way to go, Mayor! I’ve always been proud of my lifelong city, and moreso with your leadership and genuine compassion for “real” communities. Thank you for responding as you always do. . . . respectfully and with a desire to diffuse rather than abuse any odd situation. Your knowledge or Dearborn is unreal and your friendship is truly appreciated. Stay well.

Mike McGee

9:23 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Thank you, Mayor, for such a fine, cogent and powerful statement of what America really stands for. No one at any level has ever said it better! It makes me proud to be among your supporters and friends.

Souha Chahine Khanafer

9:53 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Thank You Mayor O’Reilly for your eloquent and powerful words. I am proud to call you my Mayor and proud to be a life-long Dearborn Resident.

Megan

10:21 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Proud of my Mayor and proud of my city!

Yasmeen

11:03 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Very well said! I’m impressed. Good job Mayor O’Reily!!

A. Jezewski

11:22 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Well Said Mr. O’Reily, well said.

Diana Morgan

11:27 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Mayor, I do not want to dilute your powerful words but our country needs a man of your eloquence and clarity representing us at the United Nations. You epitomize what America is all about. As a graduate student in Criminal Justice, you can just imagine the reading I have to do. Your editorial was a beacon of light and hope in an angry world. Dearborn is darn lucky to have you.

Marlyne Musleh

11:38 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Mayor ORielly, Great job, very well said!

A pastor does not promote hate and violence, he is looking for

attention. Ignoring him does more good than confronting him.

KC

1:34 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Excellent Job Mayor O’Rielly… the reason that loser chose Good Friday for his protest, is because he is eager to know why God has long forsaken him and the likes of him …

Zeinab Bazzi

2:08 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Mayor Oielly, thank you for your words.

HASSEN ALI BERRY

2:16 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

MR. MAYOR YOU HAVE BROUGHT TEARS TO MY EYES. Just to know people like your self still exist, lets me go to bed with a peace of mind knowing my chidren are save as can be in the great city of DEARBORN. THANK YOU SIR. HAJJ HASSEN ALI BERRY

Weeso

2:17 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

I love you 🙂 haha this is why your our mayor.

Ali Fayad

3:06 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Dear Mayor O’Rielly, my name is Ali K Fayad. on behalf of myself and three other lebanese MARINES we would like to thank you for your kind words. I myself is not from dearborn but i have a lot of family and friends there. I am from Brooklyn New York. I’ve been serving in the Marines for 7 years now and we all are grateful to be American and to be able to live here…..in the end it is the land of the FREE because of the BRAVE……SEMPER FI

chef kamal

3:15 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Mr mayor, we can’t say it any better, Thank You.

I have always believed in you ” Great Mayor” Great Man” and the world needs more like you,

Like Father Like Son.

Dearborn is Great, all the way from Doha – Qatar.

janet pound

3:43 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

The mayor of Dearborn makes me believe there can be political leaders who we can look up to. Thank you for giving me faith again.

the earth is but one country and mankind its citizens.

John

4:00 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Do we really need a self promoting Mayor to tell us and the world that we don’t practice Shariah Law? Give me a break! Thank you Mayor for clarifying something we already knew. It seems like everyone wants a piece of this fame. I’m not fooled and hopefully you are not.

Gail Barbee

4:21 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

I just think that it is sad that “pastor” Jones doesn’t seem to realize that every word of the Old Testament of the Holy Bible was contained in the Quran that he burned. There is but one God. The God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, and every other prophet in between.

In Spanish: Dios=God

In French: Dieu=God

In German: Gott=God

In Polish: Bog=God

In Swedish: Gud=God

In Arabic: Allah=God

Get a clue. Aquire an education. Perhaps then someone would put some stock in what you are saying.

I am proud to be an American, born and bred. I am just as proud to be Muslim.

Mr Islander

4:26 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

From a pleased Hartwell Street Resident, Thanks Mr. Mayor, You’re doing a great job of looking out for the whole community. Thanks!

Ali Ali

5:28 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Thank you Mr. Mayor O’Reilly!!! Thank you for considering everyone involved in your letter. Thank you for the best representation any city could ask for. Thank you for being Mayor of the wonderful city we live in.

Also, I cannot speak for the whole Muslim community, but I would like to personally thank everyone whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, etc. on sharing the same thoughts as the Mayors and myself and any rational human being. There is no room for Pastor Jones in our community IF he is going to disrupt our rights to live peacefully in our city.

Ismail Bachir

6:17 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Great job Mr. Mayor. Your letter represents the views of most Americans who “don’t turn the other cheek”. Everyone should always remember that in all religions it is stated to love thy neighbors, not burn their faith to intimidate a hatred and / or fear. Faith is best described as close to the heart and what he is attempting to burn is merely ink on paper. Don’t let a hypocrite like Mr. Jones let you believe he is actually a pastor. His credentials are just the same as the book “ink on paper” and not from the god given spirit that would have mercy on those that give and believe.

Happy and Humble Dearbornite

CHAMMOUT

7:18 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

THANK YOU MAYOR O’REILLY!!!! JUST BEAUTIFUL~

Marwa faraj

9:02 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Marwan faraj. I am very proud to say that I live in the city of dearborn, And more proud to say that mayor O’reily represent me And my family, thank you.

Mr Islander

9:16 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

YOU SAID: 1. All of the United States of America is a FREE SPEECH ZONE that is guaranteed by the Constitution. Permit Free Zones? That is clearly Un-American and has no basis from the Constitution.

YOU ARE WRONG! There are always limits on ‘free’ speech. For instance no has the ‘right’ to incite a riot or a disturbance like the strangely pistol packing so-called Pastor Jones and his crew of kooky followers would appear to be intent on doing. And, certainly, no one should have the ‘right’ to for absolutely no reason insult the residents of this town or impede them from going either in or out of their places of worship. Argue as you like but I’m sure that you’ll find that the overwhelming majority of all Dearborn residents are 100% behind the mayor on this issue. Certainly we’re all agreed that we of this town should be regarded as having a constitutional ‘right’ not to be bothered by outside agitators who might imagine that they might at any time come into town with the intention of illegally taking over our streets.

Liwa Roman

10:58 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011

Ed and Moe Show brought me here. Masha’Allah the Muslim community in Dearborn has alot of support and Insha’Allah everything will work out for the best.

With Peace,

Your Brother from Erie, PA

Ali Sabbagh

12:01 am on Friday, April 22, 2011

O’Reilly for the next President of the United States  (MY NOTE:  Facepalm!)

Mr Islander

2:46 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Ali Sabbagh Said: “O’Reilly for the next President of the United States”

Unfortunately, I think that as a result of these now very much publicized incidents our good mayor’s political chances have probably been pretty much thoroughly ruined everywhere else except for within this city. He took a very and principled stand and by doing so probably ruined his chances for any higher elected office amidst this presently very mixed-up country of ours.   (HOW CAN ANYONE NOT GET the Mayor’s UnConstitutional behavior!)

12:34 am on Friday, April 22, 2011

“Histoy teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other options.”

~Abba Eban

When will we get that “we are all one” is only a phrase worthy for a bumper sticker until we are willing to drop separation theology? How much more evidence do we need before we abandon labels like Muslim, Christian and Jew? Do we not see how religion plays you and me against each other? What would Jesus, Mohammed and Abraham think about what we have done to each other in their name?

Out of obvious shame comes the opportunity to choose a different experience for humanity to get it right. Won’t you join me?

Peace and love to all of you my brothers and sisters.

Paul Marcel-Rene

12:41 am on Friday, April 22, 2011

The Ikhwan (Muslim Brother) must understand that their work in America is a kind… of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions. -Muslim Brotherhood Memo (1991)

Diana Morgan

10:56 am on Friday, April 22, 2011

Paul, it is Good Friday and a holiday that I observe. I have also studied Supreme Court rulings. Pastor Jones was in court yesterday in Dearborn requesting a jury trial for the subject of a peace bond. The judge is accommodating him and will try to have this jury trial before 5 PM today. (When the rally is suppose to start. For those of you who don’t understand a “peace bond” – it is a sum of money that one pays up front and any damage or costs incurred by the City is deducted before being returned. Jones has already stated that his group will be armed. I envision an emotionally charged situation where people who just want to worship in their religion are heckled. I am familar with the Muslim Brotherhood and they are a radical jihadist group and not representative of all Muslims by any means. I do apologize for my harsh words yesterday, but having the week off from studying international terrorism, as well as Fox news imaging the large protests of the Middle East; the Mayor’s words were like balm to me. You came across as defiant which I can handle, but the barbs directed at the Mayor were unfair. I respectfully disagree but am not going to engage further with you because of your radical criticisms and your twisting of his words. He spoke of Permit Free Zones, not Freedom of Speech zones and invited Pastor Jones to use City Hall as an arena for his protest. Blessings to you even if your agenda is to promote hatred.

2:10 am on Friday, April 22, 2011

i applaud you , your a good man and i respect you alot more after reading this hopefully you talked some sense into terry jones

gina

9:20 am on Friday, April 22, 2011

Marcel-Rene<—must be French. NO wonder you don’t understad the US Constitution, or are you just looking for your 15 minutes of fame by acting dumb? Trying to twist peoples word because you do not have anything of intellegance to say.  (Facepalm!)

Paul Marcel-Rene

9:45 am on Friday, April 22, 2011

@Gina. LOL. No not a drop of French blood and 100% pure patriotic American Constitutionist. Wow, you try (unsuccessfully) to insult me rather than challenge the 100% correct application of the US Constitution and supported by ALL Supreme Court decisions since the country was established specificly as a nation free from the oppression of a political/social/religious system imposing its theology on others. Then it was Christian denominational differences, now it is the oppression/subjugation/violence of the theology/ideology of the system known as Islam whose clearly stated goal is world domination under Sharia as a Islamic Caliphate.

I appreciate that you no doubt have no idea about this subject or even the meaning of most of the multiple syllable words, but you are free to look them up at dictionary.com or for in-depth understanding of these concepts go to paulmarcelrene.Wordpress.com and there will be plenty of links to many other correct explainations of Islam, US Constitution, Free Speech, etc.

Mr Islander

10:10 am on Friday, April 22, 2011

Mr Constitutionalists Says: “since the country was established specifically as a nation free from the oppression of a political/social/religious system imposing its theology on others.”

If pistol-packing so-called Pastor Jones isn’t making a pest of himself by trying to impose his questionable “Christain’ beliefs upon the perfectly law abiding Muslin citizens of Dearborn so as to see if he and his crowd might then forcibly intimidate them into renouncing their religious beliefs then just why is here? Jones is plainly illegally trying to forcibly impose his theology on others and that is precisely the reason that the city government needs to step in so as to protect the rights of those citizens to worship in the ways that they and not some out-of-state Christian zealot crusaders would wish.

10:26 am on Friday, April 22, 2011

Yes. He IS a “wingnut”, but he still has a Constitutional right to free speech anywhere in the US, whether you, I, or anyone approves of him, his speech content, the mosque. Islam, etc. It isn’t illegal even if he is a pest. And he had no delusions that he is going to get even one Muslim to renounce their religion by his actions. By your reasoning, the protests at Kent State, at Selma, and every rally by Dr. M.L. King would have been disallowed as inconvenient and being a nuance. I’m assuming you have no problem with blacks having been given their God given civil rights? what about the Irish? Asians? Native Americans? Women? All, gaining the recognition as equals free from institutionalized because of the Constitutional rights of freedom of assembly and freedom of speech. when one persons rights are taken, we all lose those rights. This applies even if the person is a religious fanatic like Jones or members of CAIR.

Diana Morgan

11:34 am on Friday, April 22, 2011

Paul, I did go to your site and am shocked to find that you call yourself a Pastor that believes in one true God and Jesus Christ. Is it the “Allah” that Muslims worship that upsets you? Or are you just intolerant of all Muslims. You should be preaching love and kindness to your fellow man, not starting a hateful rant about such a beautiful open letter written by the Mayor of a City who is clearly concerned about the residents of his City. For a pastor, you are certainly judgemental. With only you as a dissenter, I find the bloggers speaking from their heart. Would God be pleased with your words? Are you speaking His words and echoing His sentiments. Are you promoting peace and love for humanity?  (BEING the only dissenter? That others are afraid to stand up for the US Constitution and I am not, makes me no less right.  I stand regardless of the strength of the winds of fancy for the US Constitution and the One True God and His Son Jesus.)

12:11 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Proud of you, Mayor O’Reilly. Extending my support from Stockholm, Sweden! I lived in Dearborn for two years and I have every intention to move back to the area in the future. I love the city, I’d love to raise a family there, and the thing that I love most about the city is how diverse it is, culturally, religiously, and politically.

Terry Jones can’t & won’t rattle me.

Simon Fortuijn

12:45 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Free Speech Zone? Give me a break. Bow down once again to your lords, accept this as just another infringement upon our rights. Although you may not agree with this crook you also should not agree with limiting where he can protest. As for the traffic issues that is a total load of BS. Were the DPD so concerned with backing up traffic on Ford Road you would think the same would hold true anytime s “great” leader like when Luqman Ameen Abdullah’s service was backing up Ford. Or any other service there for that matter. See the DPD, City are just trying to cover their own. They have no control over their people and they know it. Give a dog a bone and watch the fun. Were this the other way around there would be no issue with permits, etc. This city is rotting from the top down.

gina

1:04 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Marcel-Rene my education comes from a University, not unofficial websites like yours. If you did have a college degree, you wouldn’t be so wrong. Muslims are not trying to take over the world. That is something only an ignorant person would say. You call the muslims terrorist, but they are the ones being terrorized by the likes of you.  (FACEPALM for the delusions)

Erica

1:08 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Paul- Whatever for whatever, but I would appreciate it if you took the time to spell the name of our city correctly since you seem to have such a strong opinion regarding us and our City. It is “Dear” born as in a greeting or affectionate name. Not “Deer”born as in the animal.

Paul Marcel-Rene

2:19 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

@Diana Morgan, no it isn’t Satan also known as allah in Islam that “upsets” in this instance. It the trampling of US Constitution because Jones has an unpopular message that threatens the “feelings” of the Muslim and the Dhimmitude community. I’d protest ANY trampling of the Constitution. And, correct judgment and stating the truth is most definitely both appropriate and Biblical sound. The one true God stated clearly in His only Holy Scriptures the Holy Bible that we are not to be lukewarm in our devotion and that the great commission He gave us is to go out and bring ALL to the knowledge of Him and His Son Jesus Christian.

Diana Morgan

3:54 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

“No it isn’t Satan also known as allah in Islam…” Fellow bloggers. Paul is one big-mouthed bigot. I am not Muslim but he obviously hates them all. He probably belonged to the KKK as well. No sense trying to reason with a wild boar. Just ignore him and maybe he will go away. I wish they had an ignore button available.

2:39 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

@Gina, yes I have a college education and guarantee that it took me a lot less time to earn it then you did while working 2 jobs and raising a family as a single parent. Though being 100% correct has nothing to do with my education, especially the American collegiate system. Calling me names demonstrates a lack of substance to your posting (it isn’t substance to get your point across as you failed to attempt to make one). Stating the truth is not terrorism. Please go to dictionary.com and look up the word and put your education to good use. If anyone feels threatened by the truth, then they are obviously wrong or have an error in thinking or belief. Those deceived by Islam have a right to worship as they please and our country and myself would defend that right against all enemies both domestic and foreign. When any group attempts to gain special or deferential treatment or exemption from the laws (assuming the laws are Constitutional), this is when there is a problem. When a group seeks to replace these Constitutional laws with ANY other laws to which everyone must submit, this is a problem. And this is the true theology/political nature of Islam. True Muslims that adhere to Islam are a threat to all. These aren’t radical Muslims, but true to their religion. I’m glad some one noticed my intentional spelling. I stand by my spelling until the Constitution is regularly enforced so it became dear again.

Ismail Bachir

2:43 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Dear Paul,

It seems that you are confused with the hadith aspect as well as the sunnat. truly you try to educate yourself with what man tries to interpet the koran to say. this is known as a hadith. You should learn how to speak and read the arabic language as the chosen language to read the koran. What you interpret is only the sick sense of your thought and rationale as perceived by the books you interpret. What you have stated is whole heartedly false and you should once again reeducate yourself with your thoughts first and foremost being open and full of compassion and not looking for the ugly of a situation or fact. ignorance is truly second to your arrogance of what you choose to read and believe. It is a shame that you are preaching to hate and not to unite. The words you type are truly driven by your lack of knowledge to reality. Let me state once again that you are the minority of what an american believes in regards to loving thy neighbor. Only you would put down your fellow americans by siding with a so called pastor that clearly disrespected all christians on good friday by uniting with a minority of people to want to bring about an uprising of hatred against humanity. Regardless I forgive you and will shake your hand anytime to show you that it not about what people done it what people are willing to do to change for the better and my dear friend religion has nothing to do with helping your neighbor.

nuhad

2:55 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

One word to describe our community is diversity! Don’t let this insane man play with our minds. No matter what religion you follow, let’s all stick together

Nuhad Alshafey

dearborn, mi

sara daly

4:15 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Mr. Mayor,

Please wake up and smell the coffee! In family court for years Dearborn and other Michigan state municipalities have been legally allowing and enforcing both quasi- sharia/sharia and moslem traditions to trump Mi laws. Look at some of the divorce and custody/ friend of the court records Mr. Mayor- women who are non citizens deported for challenging abuse at the hands of their”devout muslim” spouses and during the process of divorce, women deprived of custody rights and child support as Moslem traditions dictate- (the children are to be raised by the father and his family, and women are second class citizens in Islam, both legally and socially thus the father dictates terms of custody and divorce) – Dearborn and other cities are secretly complicit with upholding these injustices, so let’s not pretend that sharia law is not in some cases absolutely bowed down to by Dearborn and other MI cities.  (AT LEAST ONE OTHER PERSON STANDS UP!)

Barbara Fox-hajj Houssien

4:20 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

@cj- why are you hating on women so much, do you have issues?

Barbara Fox-hajj Houssien

4:23 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Oh, yeah…Mayor O’Reilly? Thank you! I am proud to say that you are the mayor of our city and your leadership has been outstanding. I trust you, I support you!

Paul Marcel-Rene

5:16 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

I love all people and hate no one. Being the one to tell the truth usually is not a popular position. It is why truth is so frequently not revealed. Simply ignore me if (to borrow a line from a famous movie) you can’t handle the truth. And there have been several other voices not supporting the Constitutional rights suppression of the wingnut Jones. But, I’m a better Target for the rants of many. So be it. Not a single word that refuted anything I’ve written has or will be presented. I am truly sorry that so many of the responds on here are either deceived or simply unknowledgable about the US Constitution, the true nature of Islam, true Christianity, the rights of free speech and free assembly.

J.W. Jr.

6:00 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

I did say he was a wingnut, but that fact seems lost in translation when some people respond on here.

Paul Marcel-Rene

6:02 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

So many contradictory worldviews swirl around you in our culture today that it’s easy to become confused. Here’s how you can overcome confusion to find true belief:

Go beyond wishful thinking. The desire to believe is a real and powerful drive that can carry you either into a genuine relationship with God or dangerous fantasies and delusions that you invent. Instead of just believing whatever you want to believe, get serious about discovering the truth of who God is and how to best relate to Him. Pray for the discernment you need to explore faith. Ask God to reveal Himself to you and to help you truly seek Him.

See the spiritual working with the physical. God has set eternity in your heart, giving you the ability to connect with the spiritual realm while living in the physical one. Live with your eyes wide open to the ways these two realities work together in your everyday life. Make a point of looking for God at work, and you’ll notice Him all around you.

Deal with uncertainty. Expect to encounter uncertainty as you search for real faith. Instead of ignoring the uncertainty you feel, let it motivate you to explore faith in fresh ways. Be honest about your struggles and humble about what you already know so you can move toward an authentic faith. Invite God to meet you in the midst of your uncertainty and help you learn more and more.

CONTINUED HERE:

https://paulmarcelrene.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/do-not-be-confused-there-is-only-one-truth

Timothy White

6:06 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

I love Dearborn AND our Mayor!!!

Ismail Bachir

7:59 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Paul Marcel-Rene has an agenda and that’s for you to support his cause by buying his faith…lol. He put a link to his website where for today only you can purchase his words of faith also known in the muslim community as his version of a “hadith”. I knew there had to be a reason why he’s working so hard to gather attention and now we know “the almighty dollar” where the root of all evil begins. he truly is the devil at work ask him what he makes a year and what has he done to help the well being of others not only americans. Religion didn’t start in america it’s where it was freed.   (ONLY MUCH FURTHER DOWN IN THE COMMENTS DOES IT GET ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THIS WAS A COMPLETE LIE and way to distract from the truth being revealed by my comments.)

Diana Morgan

8:12 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Ismail, thank you so much for outing him. I was feeling badly about my bashing of him especially on a holy day for Catholics. He went too far when he said that Satan=Allah. That is such an inflammatory statement meant to turn people against people. I have been trying to get updates. Jones was arrested today for not paying the $1 peace bond. He demands to have his rally outside of the Mosque. I don’t know what time he was arrested and if his buddies have bailed him out by now. I hope they can hold him. I no longer feel guilty about anything I said to and about Paul. Thanks again Ismail. I don’t think he will show his money hungry ,filthy and foul mouthed face in here again.  (She has FAILURE TO VERIFY and this person looks terribly foolish for accepting the lie without checking for herself. And then attacks based on a proven lie! – FACEPALM!)

8:46 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

So we lie to attempt to discredit the truth? Very sad. I’m not selling faith, a hadith, or any such thing and you well know this. Nor do my finances have anything to do with the conversation, the truth regarding the issue of the US Constitutional guaranteed free speech and right of free assembly.

Ismail, you failed. And Diana, you might want to do your own research before blindly congratuating a complete lie. About me of course not the lie you’ve already bought into regarding all the issues being addressed.

On a side note, I’m not only an upstanding member of society, but would be considered a Philanthropist if I allowed others to give me any labels including positive ones.

Though if either of you upsstanding citizens really want to make a donation, please send checks to the local Salvation Army, YMCA, YWCA, or the United Way in Dearborn. They can always use the money to assist people in genuine need.

8:15 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

We’re working on updates, Diane, and will keep you posted.

Ismail Bachir

8:19 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Your welcome Diana,

I truly believe that when we unite we all win. We must stand together for what’s right and wrong. Education comes with experience and experience is learned from our mistakes and only then can we make things right by helping and assisting each other. We are bringing people together and they are trying to separate people. The answer is clear united we stand divided we fall isn’t that the real lesson here?

Paul Marcel-Rene

8:52 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

The only lesson is to understand the official Islamic policy as taught by Mohammad to lie.

Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. The two forms are:

Taqiyya – Saying something that isn’t true.

Kitman – Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills “it shall be as if he had killed all mankind”) while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of “corruption” and “mischief.”

Though not called Taqiyya by name, Muhammad clearly used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans that allowed him access to their city while he secretly prepared his own forces for a takeover. The unsuspecting residents were conquered in easy fashion after he broke the treaty two years later, and some of the people in the city who had trusted him at his word were executed.

Another example of lying is when Muhammad used deception to trick his personal enemies into letting down their guard and exposing themselves to slaughter by pretending to seek peace. This happened in the case of Ka’b bin al-Ashraf (as previously noted) and again later against Usayr ibn Zarim, a surviving leader of the Banu Nadir tribe, which had been evicted from their home in Medina by the Muslims.

EXAMPLES from the Qu’ran and Hadith follow:

Paul Marcel-Rene

8:54 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Qur’an (66:2) – “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths”

Qur’an (3:54) – “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

Bukhari (49:857) – “He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

Bukhari (84:64-65) – Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an “enemy.”

From Islamic Law:

Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 – 8.2) – “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory… it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression…

12:25 am on Sunday, April 24, 2011

Really, Paul, we are not that ignorant. Where the heck are you getting your Arabic translated? From “Pastor” Jones? I’ve read lots of the Koran, albeit translated, which loses much, and none of it sounds like it’s from the same book you are reading. By the way, two things:

1) You will NEVER influence us in Dearborn to hate or mistrust each other. You think that there is some ugly undercurrent of tension that you are going to stir up- NOT going to happen. We are all Americans, and we are a very diverse group, but we understand each other as well. That’s what makes us a great community, and why we support each other.

2) I think you missed your last dose of Thorazine. Run go get it, and maybe you could speak without sounding like Charles Manson. Run along now…

8:53 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Diana, You are surely a much better person than I am, because Good Friday or not, I really sort of liked bashing Paul Marcel-Rene.

Paul Marcel-Rene

9:13 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

That is because bashing is all that can be done when the truth is not desired but is still presented. Besides, I don’t take it personal as I am not the subject of these posts.

Deflecting away from the subjects won’t make the truth change. Have fun bashing me. It means nothing and matters not. And hopefully, at least one previously uninformed, misinformed, and just completedly deceived person will question what they previously had thought was truth, discover it is false and the country is at grave risk when anyone’s Constitutional rights are trampled on simply because the ideas expressed are not popular.

As they used to say on the old news show, “and back to you” for the weather and other non-relevent reporting.

12:26 am on Sunday, April 24, 2011

I agree with you, Mr. Islander.

9:04 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Dear Paul,

my words are backed by your evidence of deceit. you put the link up for all to go see and in that link is another link that allows people to get your report for free “today only”… that sounds like a selling product to me. It seems that the only lies are from a character that exists today by the name of Paul Marcel-Rene. Mohammed is not alive for him t protect his words; however, you are and your lies are not backed up by anything other than your “hadiths”. By the way a philanthropist you are not. You did not live in that erra so how could you possible justify what occurred during that event…oh yeah I forgot your “hadith”lol! There are 2 sides to ever coin and you always seem to want to have a story told and written that favors your view. Don’t go away mad my friend, just go away! I still Love You!!!  (NO SUCH “report” exists or was advertised.  Either it was a direct lie or from another site completely unrelated to mine.  Either way, it is 100% false!)

Paul Marcel-Rene

9:08 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Sorry Issy, but I have no links for you to buy anything. If you want to donate money or time, please refer to my previous post and do so with the local Salvation Army, YMCA, YWCA, or the United Way in Dearborn. They can always use the money to assist people in genuine need.

9:15 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Oh, and the only reason ANY links are provided is because of space limitations on the format. But, then, you know that too. Kitman – Lying by omission.

Ismail Bachir

9:16 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Paul you once again amaze me with your commitment to try and dissolve Muslims. The Koran your reading, kindly tell us who wrote it and / or where you bought it? That will tell all who you get your information from and why do you speak in english of the koran when it should be recited in arabic. there are more letters in the arabic language that you can’t possible translate in english. we don’t have words with more than one meaning such as the english language. That’s why it is easy to manipulate a sentence here and that’s also why it is easy to be subjective and / or objective to any issue. Why are you not trying to solve our economic condition and the hunger of our children. The time and energy your spending here could have feed an army. You claim that you don’t need the money what other interest do you have? Are you the believer of the old testament or the new testament? Are you a Zionist? what is your faith that you question the faith of other? Your website says let me tell you the truth…could you really tell me the truth or just your version of events?  (Trying to change the discussion away from the truth to the usual – “only muslims understand islam” when 90% minimum don’t understand islam, can’t read what the qu’ran REALLY says in arabic, and are taught that the hadiths that reveal additional truths are not authentic because they reveal the true nature of islam and of mohammad.)

Paul Marcel-Rene

9:30 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

I can tell you the truth which you will deny. And the old fall back that it has to be read in Arabic is complete nonsense and you know this as well. As for time being spent, aren’t you also using your time instead of feeding the hungry? Isn’t there a men’s shelter than needs someone to assist in meal preparation on Good Friday rather than sitting in front of your computer? Did go out of your way to purchase American made products to decrease the countries economic troubles such as HUGE trade deficits and loss of American jobs? Do you know where anything you own is made?

Is it really beyond your comprehension that I do not need to have a financial interest in the issue of freedom of speech and assembly? Do you really think I want to defend the rights of a wingnut Pastor?

And what difference does it make if I am a “believer of the old testament or the new testament? Are you a Zionist? what is your faith that you question the faith of other? ” We are discussing truth, freedom of speech and assembly.

12:33 am on Sunday, April 24, 2011

Ismail, you really are wasting your time. The guy (Paul) is seriously psychologically impaired. However, I think that what is great about this forum for me is that I see us all coming together to support one another and our community. To reject hate and prejudice, to spread acceptance and tolerance.

From one American to another (you), I stand shoulder to shoulder with my neighbors of many diverse cultures and faiths. I accept all, and am curious to see our similarities more than our differences. We really have a great place to work and live and to raise our kids.

I was also pleasantly surprised at the eloquence, evenness and fairness exhibited by our Mayor.

9:20 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Are your ten commandments different than that of muslims? There is one constitutional right we would all like for you to reflect on and that my friend would be your right to remain silent…lol!

Paul Marcel-Rene

9:30 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

LOL.. humor as a deflection of directly addressing truth.

Paul Marcel-Rene

9:34 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Lets start with thou shalt not kill (unless you burn a Qu’ran). There seems to be a slight difference in regard to this. Or are 1400 years of killing based on mohammad’s teachings to be explained away. And if I post in Arabic, most people could read it and it is most likely against this site’s policy since they also wouldn’t know what it said.

9:29 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Dear All,

The constitution starts with “We the People” not we the christians, we the catholics, we the muslims, etc… This particular phrase speaks for itself the “We the People” represents a United States” and not a “Divided States” so what Paul speaks of can’t possibly be about protecting the constitution of the united states it seems to support dividing the constitution not to include Muslims because the Constitution of the United States also has the freedom of religion even if you don’t believe in god and / or wanted to start your own faith. Knowledge is power so long as it is diversified and not narrow minded to limit yourself to only areas shaded in grey.

Paul Marcel-Rene

9:44 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

If you scroll all the way back up into much earlier posts, you’d see that this is NOT what I wrote. I specifically wrote that EVERYONE has the right of free speech and freedom of assembly including Muslims, wingnuts like Jones, Nazis, Communists, and every crazy ideology out there. Should I locate it for you or anyone reading your failed attempt to imply that anyone should be denied their rights. BTW, “we the people” means ALL the people.

9:41 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Let’s see, I own 3 american made vehicles that are paid in full, my home is also paid in full and I didn’t do a short sell and I paid off my debts. I actually did my part by paying my debt as agreed upon. I donated one of my home to a church. I done random acts of kindness like feed the hungry on many of occasions that can be verified by reputable people. Did you do a short sell? have you donated a home to help shelter the poor? have you picked a homeless man and took him out to eat and listen to their story? have you handed an envelope of money to a beggar standing on the corner with their children. All of these stories are true and done by myself amongst many other successful stories and 80% of the people were not muslims. I bet you haven’t done any of the above except talk!

Ismail Bachir

9:46 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

mohammed is not responsible for what is occurring currently throughout the world knucklehead. nor was he responsible for what occurred in Bosnia, Palestine, Israel, Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, etc… People like you are responsible for these matter with the kind of hatred you speak. Why don’t you speak the truth war is business that we as tax payers pay for from any country not just ours. Libya will pay for their war just like Iraq is paying for their war.

Ismail Bachir

9:50 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Take responsibility for your own actions and not the actions of other. I have not broken the constitution and yet you seem to want to judge me as a muslim…really? Please tell all what you’ve done to better the constitution? I’m still awaiting for a response in regards to what and who you’ve help and how. Please tell me as intriguing as you are.

Paul Marcel-Rene

9:53 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Are you sure your cars are made in America? LOL, so you have money yet talk about all you own.

I hate to have to actually quote scripture, but, “Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.” – Matthew 19:21 (If thou wilt be perfect – The word “perfect” means complete in all its parts, finished, having no part wanting.)

No, I don’t do short sells and I house many people, including the homeless. I’ve been on the Board of Directors for a homeless shelter and spent a full year as a full time (unpaid) President a local Habitat for Humanity. And, yes I’ve taken into my home people with no place else to go. But, you say these as if you deserve praise. These are bare minimums expected by God.

Matthew 25: 35-36 “‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’

40 “The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’ “

Paul Marcel-Rene

10:03 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

PS. I judge not least I be judged. I never asked nor does it matter if you are Muslims, Christian, or Hindu.

10:04 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

I say this to bring out your statements that you are actually going to advertise your doings. Here in America my dear friend we don’t advertise a “Rolls Royce” and you just proved my friend that you are no Rolls Royce. GM, Chrysler and Fords are the only vehicles I’ve ever owned in my life. I can’t afford a Rolls Royce and I don’t have a non profit business, I’m not on a board of directors for anyone. I’m a United States Citizen that does the best that I can and knowing that you can’t do for others if you can not do for yourself first. Without you there is nothing. I can help because I work for me first in a practical manner and not in a profitable manner. You on the other seems to have a business where you need others like myself “taxpayers” to support your non profit organization by government grants and donations from the very poor that you feed whether it is in the form of slave labor or other wise. I don’t need to recite scriptures from any religion to know what it is to truly have ethics, values and faith.

Paul Marcel-Rene

10:18 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Rolls Royce? And just because an auto is badged GM, Chrysler or Ford does NOT make them an American vehicle. Any of these a truck? It isn’t American. The only pick up trucks made in America are Toyota (in Texas). My ONE vehicle is the most American made in its class and it was made in the state of Georgia, but doesn’t say GM, Chrysler or Ford.

I do not receive a single dime in taxpayer money. Where you get that complete nonsense is beyond understanding. My business started from scratch without any assistance from anyone, from any government agency, or even a loan from a bank. I developed it the old fashioned way- HARD WORK, LONG HOURS, and GREAT SERVICE.

And the non-profits (charities) I’ve worked with also did not receive any taxpayer money.

Again, you have failed at your attempts to deflect from the subject with non-relevent and untrue statements.

BTW, ALL ethics, values come from the One True God and His Son Jesus Christ, even if anyone denies this truth.

Please try again to malign, defame, slander, libel, vilify me. (CORE MEANING: to say or write something damaging about somebody malign to criticize somebody in a spiteful and false or misleading way.)

You failed again.

10:07 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

One of the largest barriers to peace has to do with contradictions between the Christian and Muslim faiths, based on the holy writings of each, where in one case actions that are considered sin in one faith are considered permissible by the other. Both Muslims and Christians believe that they are commanded by God to convert the entire world to their beliefs. As long as each continues to convert and contradict at the same time there will always be conflicts. An honest example of each faith will also reveal that there are conflicts with our economic system and our Constitution in the United States. For example, Christianity espouses a level of altruism that is truly uncomfortable and inconsistent with the level of materialism that is practiced in our country. Both Eastern and Western people have committed violence in the name of religion, truly believeing that they were right to do so. Here is the challenge that we have faced and still face today in this world: Can we express and promote our beliefs today without using violence? Remember that speech that promotes violence is in itself violent. The practice of speech should be voluntarily controlled by individuals if we are going to be a civilized society. Any poerson that violates this should be censured not by law but by opinion. By the way, Paul, for a Christian you sound awfully close to an Ayn Rand objectivist. I can’t agree with her because she taught that selfishness was a virtue.

Paul Marcel-Rene

10:27 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

I’m no fan of Ayn Rand and you are correct. Islam and Christianity are at odds and shall always be because of the core values of each. Obviously, both can not be correct so one must be false. Until the second coming of our Lord and Savior, Jesus the Son of God, this conflict will continue. Then the truth will rein over the whole world or in the popular words of a Christian song: “Every knee will bow”.

10:07 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

An update on what’s been happening: http://dearborn.patch.com/articles/jury-trial-for-pastor-terry-jones-under-way

Jones and Sapp paid the $1 bond and were out of jail about an hour after their arrest.

Paul Marcel-Rene

10:29 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Now that stunt was for publicity. Jones really is a wingnut, but he still has full Constitutional rights of free speech and freedom of assembly. I truly wish there was someone else to defend the Constitution for than him, but every wingnut gets these rights or no one does.

10:07 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

I never talked about having money… this is why I say you only want to say what you want to hear. I said I have what I own and what I own I paid for without sacrificing the american taxpayer. What about you you state that you sat on a board for free…lol. Board members are like politicians they only make policy which is transfered to laborers that can barely make it in this country with the cost of commodities rising while you reap the benefits through your own political agenda

Paul Marcel-Rene

10:22 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Wrong, some boards actually get down and do work, in this case building houses for the poor. I have a nicely worn hammer from putting in nails if you’d like to inspect it for quality control purposes and I made sure when I bought it at a local hardware store (not a big box store like Lowes or Home Depot) that is was American made. And I paid for it with my money, not the charity’s.

10:12 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Very well said Albert and thank you for your statement. That is a statement that I agree with. Thanks for posting.

Ismail Bachir

10:20 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

My dear friend Paul,

Let me thank you for all the knowledge that you have instilled into me. It truly was a pleasure having to met your acquaintance “informally”. I’m muslim and I’m proud to be one forever more. I do not judge what other people do; however, I believe that everyone is entitled to my opinion and you my friend happened to be one of everyone. God bless you and your family as well as your followers and may he bless all the people of the world because we all can use a blessing regardless of your faith. I will include you in my prayers tonight. Be bless always and hopefully together we can make this world and this constitution a better place to represent man.

Ismail Bachir

10:27 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

non profit means that you don’t pay taxes… which means that you are not contributing to the american way of paying your taxes like everyone else. I’m sure you worked hard as I have and my dear friend as a tool and die maker for many years I can tell you that i personally made the tooling and the dies that make the parts for these vehicles with my bare hands. Please speak your nonsense to someone else. I trained the chinese and the mexicans on my machine for years before they were taken to their country for assembly. Don’t talk to me about made in the USA. The law states that you can build anything from outside this country and finish the remainder 10% here and have the right to stamp made in the USA on it. So there really isn’t any vehicle that is made here in the USA

Paul Marcel-Rene

10:32 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Not 100% made here, you are correct. And that we can agree with. To be an American made vehicle, the standard is at least 50% American. I correct myself that no Ford, GM, or Chrysler trucks meet this standard. (My dad retired from GM and I worked there in their parts warehouse for a brief period of time.)

10:30 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

a hammer… you paid for a hammer and put nails in a wall. That must have been a long time ago because nowadays we use screws and a drill but i like your style as I also remember using a hammer bought in a local hardware (which doesn’t mean made in the USA). That must have been really hard work…lol

Paul Marcel-Rene

10:36 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

No, I had to actively seek an American hammer. Took me a week to find an American made rake and the funny part was it is made here in my own state and no one had one. I had to order my weed wacker on the net to get American made. Not a single place, not Lowes, Home Depot, Sears, or a local hardware store had American made. They only had Mexican or Chinese made.

10:38 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Yes, it was 10 years ago I worked for free building houses. But the nails went into the roof and building the stairs. I’m too clumsy to be near dry wall.

10:40 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

then I applaud you for making an effort to buy american made. I too will also apply this effort as well. You are free to promote your faith and I truly respect your opinion Paul. We can agree to disagree when it comes to religion. I don’t see you as a bad person at all. I see that we disagree that’s all. I hope you forgive me for all the intimidating statements I may have made; however, I truly feel that I’m doing my part the best I can and it is my constitutional right to express them as you have. my 100% is not necessarily equal to your 100%; however it is the best we can do.

Paul Marcel-Rene

10:43 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

We agree that we should always have the right to express our opinion. If anyone tries to take yours, I’d be the first to run to your defense regardless if I agreed with you. I have to also give the wingnut Jones this same right and I most certainly do not agree with him.

10:46 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

PS, I am just the average middle class American and as close as all to being a few “pay checks” away from financial troubles if my income stopped. I’d rather have a a big king cab long bed truck than a Rolls 😉

10:47 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Side note, the only American sneakers (athetic shoes) are some styles of New Balance and they are usually available at Dick’s Sporting Goods.

10:47 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Thank you Paul for willing to defend my rights and I too agree that Pastor Jones has the right to express his opinion just as the KKK had their right to express their and i too will stand up for this right. Good night my friend!

Paul Marcel-Rene

10:50 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011

Sleep well my friend.

4:39 pm on Saturday, April 23, 2011

well, let me just start by saying {“WE all love mayor O”reilly”} your a reall man for stepping up to a coward who came to are city to plan a “FITNA”.. we all appreciate your kind words “MAYOR” and love you ❤ xoxoxoxoxoxo

Melissa White

12:40 am on Sunday, April 24, 2011

Geez, see? Only in America can a good Muslim and a Christian wingnut get along and set their differences aside.  (The differences are the evils that islam advocates which conflicts with God, the US Constitution, and freedom.  Those are “set aside”, but rather common ground was established.)

Ismail Bachir

10:56 am on Sunday, April 24, 2011

Melissa,

Paul was only trying to protect his constitutional rights and I agree with him. They should have let him portest and get it over with. Now we have to hear him again next week. Paul was stating what he believed and we can’t judge him for his beliefs; however, as a neighbor, I realized that he also struggled to live the american dream and he seems to have a lot of pride and dignity and I refuse to take that away as it seems that’s what he lives for. Who are we to judge. You must agree in the end he came to realize that I was also a good human being with the same experiences that he had the only difference was religion. I respect his belief and may god guide him in the direction of his true faith.

Paul Marcel-Rene

2:11 am on Monday, April 25, 2011

I agree whole heartenly Ismail. You have as much right as I or Melissa or Jones to practice the religion that you choose. Only when those rights, as well as the rights of free speech and free assemble are taken away, are there real issues. And I do feel bad that all these errors were made with Jones. He should have his assembly and then moved on to different ground that would be fertile for his purposes. By strampling his Constitutional rights, Dearborn has focused the spotlight on itself and to most Americans and others in the free world, it comes off in a poor light.

I was unable to respond to Melissa’s various entries on here due to my religion’s belief that there is a day of rest of the Sabbath in which one does no work (with some exceptions of course) and then Sunday is the traditional celebration of Easter in which our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ rose from the dead and it would have been in appropriate to respond then either.

May the blessing of God be upon you Ismail and also with you Melissa for this is a day the Lord has made and I simply will not engage with you until He has softened your heart.

8:09 am on Monday, April 25, 2011

Paul,

May God forgive as all for our sins as we thrive the only way we know how and we are limited to the capacity of our intellectual properties that he created and we choose to maintain. I truly hope that your Easter Sunday was a memorible one with many more to come. It has been a pleasure and an honor to debate and stand next to you in our right to express our constitutional rights. The best part of this debate is that I once again I gained a neigbor and a friend and for that we have Mr. Jones to thank! Something good always comes out of the worst events. Remember without pain there is no healing! Take care my friend and to all that has commented on this board to the best of their abilities to express their constitutional rights!

juanita

9:57 am on Monday, April 25, 2011

Pastor Terry Jones, is looking for attention and popularity .

lalo

7:42 pm on Tuesday, May 3, 2011

Please google mayor of dearborn and act 17 apologetics. The mayor tries to keeps his office

Frank Lee

11:57 pm on Tuesday, May 3, 2011

This mayor created the perfect media/lawsuit machine created in the last ten years. He violates the constitutional rights of attention starved Christian bigots and then get sued. Whatever the views of acts 17 apologetics or Terry Jones they have a right to access public land to freely speak. The Mayor has no right to constrain their speech because it offends special interests. The mayor is a grandiloquent windbag who is as much starved for the cameras as Terry Jones. The sad part is Terry Jones cannot bankrupt Dearborn but Mayor Mc Blowhard can and will. $180,000 and counting in judgements against City of Dearborn for violating the constitutional rights of radical fundamentalist Christians. Thanks a lot for making Dearborn stop one on the crazy train.  (A second brave soul speaks the truth.)

Vivi

1:39 pm on Thursday, May 26, 2011

reading thru these comments I see only one element of deception, those of you who put the God of our forefathers, the one and only ‘True Living I am’ of the Holy Bible, in the same sentence with allah? are truly deceived, I will be praying for you, remember God is a jealous God, there is NO OTHER BUT HIM! that you will be seeing, as far as what Jone’s did?..first of all, for an entire, ‘peaceful’ religion to slaughter innocent people in another nation and blame Jones” come on, thats there true tactic, to kill in the name of? allah? or blame one man for, a book? I agree that Jones was very wrong in his behavior and definitely went about his point all wrong here in Dearborn, but to burn a book?..he made a point, he proved that this culture is truly deadly, in the name of allah, not God, we are civilized, and there are laws governing our behaviors, if there reason for slaughtering innocent people in another country, was this man’s burning of a book? and this is why people ‘fear’ standing against it, not just Jone’s so called irrational behaviors, and if it was the burning of the book, why didn’t they try that here? think about it! allah is evil, don’t go putting his name in the same bracketed sentence as my Heavenly Father, God,

allah is lie, deception, and reason for so much spiritual unrest, God Bless you      (NOW THIS IS TELLING THEM)

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Toronto Islamic School Apologizes for [Getting Caught] Calling Jews “Crafty”, Promoting Jihad-Readiness

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Muslim (41:6981) You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

 

 

A Toronto Islamic school has apologized to the Jewish community after an investigation confirmed that it encourages students to hate Jews and prepare to combat them.

 

Friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre for Holocaust Studies in Toronto had submitted a complaint that the curriculum for the East End Madrassah, a Muslim Sunday school conducted on public school grounds, included courses on preparing for jihad, and made inflammatory references to Jews.

 

According to a report in the Canadian daily National Post, the East End Madrassah Level 8 curriculum encouraged boys to engage in sports activities in order to care for their bodies, as well as “so that you may physically be ready for jihad whenever the time comes for it,” adding that “no doubt any wise, humanitarian person accepts such a combat and admires it [jihad] because there is no other way to achieve the sacred ends of the Prophets.” continue reading

 

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The Jihadists at CAIR Ask Pentagon to Dismiss Officer Who Taught ‘Total War’ on Islam

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Note: A full scale war against the totalitarian ideology of Islam is the only legitimate answer to the question of how to NOT be destroyed by Jihad.  The Muslims are already fighting and winning the war against us from within our own borders.

 

Turning the tide, reversing course, and avoiding the complete destruction of America and the West (within a couple of generations) requires the Kuffar acknowledge the war being waged against us. We must engage the Muslim aggressors both ideologically and (where necessary) militarily.

 

The supremacist theology of the Prophet must be crushed along with any ardent adherent who is dead set on receiving the promised 72 concubines from allah.  Defeating Islam is the only way for our way of life to survive over the long term. 
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WASHINGTON, May 10, 2012 – Training suggested destroying Mecca and Medina using ‘Hiroshima’ tactics.

 

A prominent national Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization today called on the Department of Defense (DoD) to dismiss the instructor who taught fellow officers that only a “total war” on Islam would protect America, that they should use “Hiroshima” tactics, target civilian populations, and abandon the Geneva Conventions.

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) recently applauded the DoD for dropping the Islamophobic training course attended by senior officers and for instituting a complete review of training relating to Islam and Muslims.

CAIR is asking that the officer who taught that course at the Defense Department’s Joint Forces Staff College in Norfolk, Va., be dismissed from his position at the college.
 

“It is imperative that those who taught our future military leaders to wage war not just on our terrorist enemy, but on the faith of Islam itself be held accountable,” wrote CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad in a letter to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta. “These shocking revelations are completely out of line with the longstanding values of one of our nation’s most respected institutions.”

 

Awad also called for the retraining by credible scholars of all officers who took the course and offered to coordinate a meeting between Pentagon officials and national Muslim leaders. continue reading

 

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Poll: Egyptians Want to Emulate Saudi Arabia Not Turkey

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The majority of Egyptians prefer Saudi Arabia over Turkey as a model for the role of religion in governance, a poll says. Six out of ten want Shariah while secular figures are paradoxically still most favored by society.

 

Most Egyptians see Saudi Arabia as a better model than Turkey for the role religion should play in government as they want Islam to play a major role in society and believe the Quran should help shape the country’s laws, a recent survey indicated.

 

When asked which country, Saudi Arabia or Turkey, served as the better model for the role of religion in government 61 percent said Saudi Arabia. Only 17 percent choose Turkey while the remaining 22 percent responded that neither country was an appropriate model, according to a nationwide survey conducted by the Pew Research Center’s Global Attitudes Project. Results of the survey in Egypt are based on 1000 face-to-face interviews conducted from March 19 to April 10. The sample taken was representative of the country’s adult population. continue reading

 

(h/t Weasel Zippers)

 

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American Thinker | Bowing to Islamic Supremacy

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Resplendent in her royal blue hijab for an official appearance in Bangladesh on Sunday, Hillary Clinton proclaimed that she was deeply hurt by charges brought forth at a public forum that the United States was biased against Muslims.

“It hurts me so much,” Clinton lamented. “It’s a painful perception to hear about, and I deeply regret that anyone believes that or propagates it.”

Even for a woman who had no trouble during her husband’s tenure as president consorting with the father of modern terrorism, Yasser Arafat and his wife, Suha — recipient of the famous Clinton kiss — it is a remarkable statement. Hillary Clinton voiced no public distress over the findings of the last FBI report on religious hate crimes in the United States, which revealed that the overwhelming majority of hate crimes — 72% — target Jews, compared to just 8.4% for Muslims and 6.4% for Christians. 

Meanwhile, in the Indian subcontinent, Mrs. Clinton also failed to address the decades of oppression and massacres suffered by the Hindus of Bangladesh at the hands of Muslims and the abject discrimination, extortion, and threats that remain rampant today continue reading

 

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Response to confused Muslim regarding Son of God Jesus

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This Is Why There Are No Jobs in America

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No One Was Listening When Obama Promised to Destroy America and Her Flag

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Muslim Victimization in America a myth

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Muslim Victimization in America a myth

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Terrorist Muslim Brotherhood in America

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Terrorist Muslim Brotherhood in America

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Defend America July 4th 2011

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STOP THE ISLAMIZATION OF AMERICA

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STOP THE ISLAMIZATION OF AMERICA

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