Thoughts and Truth from the Impossible Life

Mormons Are Christian

The name of the Mormon Church should be referred to at all times as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If one does that then there is no question as to whether the Mormons believe in Jesus Christ or are Christians.

The definition of a Christian is defined as ‘one who believes or professes…to believe in Jesus Christ and the truth as taught by him…one whose life is conformed to the doctrine of Christ.’ If being Christian means accepting Jesus Christ as the Son of our Heavenly Father and the Savior of the world, then the charge that Mormons aren’t Christians is entirely bogus.

Latter-day Saints pray to Heavenly Father and close ‘in the name of Jesus Christ’; they worship Christ each Sunday and partake of the sacrament which helps them renew the covenants they made with Him at their baptism; the Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ; ‘Latter-day Saints believe that complete salvation is possible only through the life, death, resurrection, doctrines, and ordinances of Jesus Christ and in no other way.’1 Above all, Jesus Christ is the central figure for the doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The first Article of Faith in the church is: “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.”2 This article declares the belief in the Mormon Church.

Another misconception is the Book of Mormon and the criticism associated with it. Most will say that ‘it isn’t what the Book of Mormon says that is offensive to them – it is the Book of Mormon itself.’3 The rejection of the Book of Mormon is based upon nothing! How can one make a decision without actually reading, studying or researching? To know Christ, is to read the Bible and the Book of Mormon.

Article of Faith #8 in the Book of Mormon reads, “We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly, we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.”4 As one would study, research and pray to know if those things found in the Bible are true, so one must study, research and pray to know if the teachings in the Book of Mormon are true. Judgments cannot be made on something without having information. Both books of scriptures are based upon Christ and His teachings. If both are studied, then the answers come and the world would not question whether the members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are Christians.

For more information about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints/Mormons please see the following websites:

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.lightplanet.com
http://www.mormonwiki.com
http://www.whymormonism.org
Mormon Temple: Information From Answers.com

1 “Encyclopedia of Mormonism”
2 “Book of Mormon”, The Articles of Faith 1:1

3 “Are Mormons Christian?”, New Era, by Robinson, May 1998, p41

4 “Book of Mormon”, The Articles of Faith 1:8

A Quadruple Combination of the (scriptures) of...

 

 

October 28, 2012 - Posted by | Christianity / God, Daily Gospel, Mormon Christianity | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

37 Comments »

  1. It sounds like you might be interested in knowing why Christians do not believe Mormons are Christian. A true believer should believe in the word of God as written in the Holy Bible. Read what the Holy Bible says in Galatians.
    Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

    Mormons believe in another gospel of Jesus, as given to Joseph Smith by the angel Moroni. Thank you for reading by comment.

    Comment by AMG | July 1, 2011 | Reply

    • “The dictionary defines a Christian as ‘one who professes belief in Jesus as the Christ or follows the religion based on [the life and teachings of Jesus],’ and ‘one who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.’ Thus two characteristics identify Christians: (1) they profess belief in a Savior, and (2) they act in harmony with the Savior’s teachings. Faithful members of the Church, called Saints or Latter-day Saints, qualify clearly in both characteristics. In our belief and our action, we demonstrate that ‘Jesus Christ himself [is] the chief corner stone’ [Eph. 2:20] of our faith.”

      What do Mormons believe about Jesus Christ? Do Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?

      Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God. His birth, life, death, and resurrection fulfilled the many prophecies contained in the scriptures concerning the coming of a Savior. He was the Creator, He is our Savior, and He will be our Judge (see Isaiah 9:6, 53:3-7; Psalms 22:16-18).

      Under the direction of our Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ created the earth (John 1:10; Hebrews 1:2).

      When Jesus lived on the earth (approximately 2,000 years ago), He led a perfect life. He taught by word and example how people should live in love of God and others.

      Through His suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane and by giving His life on the cross—that is, by performing the Atonement —Jesus Christ saves us from our sins (1 Peter 2:21) as we follow Him. Because of the Atonement, you can be forgiven of your sins when you sincerely repent (Book of Mormon, Mosiah 26:30).

      Through His Resurrection, Jesus Christ saved us from death. Because He overcame death, we will all be given the gift of resurrection, that is to say our spirits will be eternally re-united with our bodies (Acts 24:15; 1 Corinthians 15:22). When life on this earth is over, Jesus Christ will be the final Judge (Acts 17:31; John 5:21-22; Acts 10:42).

      Comment by Paul Marcel-Rene | July 2, 2011 | Reply

  2. Hi Paul,
    You said, ““The dictionary defines a Christian as ‘one who professes belief in Jesus as the Christ or follows the religion based on [the life and teachings of Jesus],’ and ‘one who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.’ Thus two characteristics identify Christians: (1) they profess belief in a Savior, and (2) they act in harmony with the Savior’s teachings.”
    However, Mormons do not follow Jesus’ teachings according to Galatians 1:8. Once you go against the scripture that says not to believe another gospel…then you open yourself up to a completely different Jesus.

    Comment by AMG | July 3, 2011 | Reply

    • I would disagree with your opinion that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not Christian by your interpretation of Galatians 1:8.

      Appearances to the Prophet Joseph Smith
      Personages Who Appeared to the Prophet Joseph Smith or Who Were Seen by Him in Vision

      # Personage References

      1. God the Father JS-H 1:17; HC 1:5; D&C 76:20

      2. Jesus Christ JS-H 1:17; HC 1:5-6; D&C 76:20-24; D&C 110:2-10

      3. Moroni JS-H 1:30-49; JD 17:374

      4. Elijah D&C 110:13-16; JD 23:48

      5. John the Baptist D&C 13; HC 1:39-40

      6-8. Peter, James, John D&C 27:12; D&C 128:20; HC 1:40-42; JD 18:326

      9. Adam (Michael) HC 3:388; D&C 128:21; HC 2:380; JD 18:326

      10. Noah (Gabriel) D&C 128:21; JD 21:94

      11. Raphael D&C 128:21

      12. Moses D&C 110:11; JD 21:65

      13. Elias D&C 110:12; D&C 27:6; JD 23:48

      14. Joseph, son of Jacob D&C 27:10

      15. Abraham D&C 27:10; JD 21:94

      16. Isaac D&C 27:10; JD 21:94

      17. Jacob D&C 27:10; JD 21:94

      18. Enoch JD 21:65

      19-27. Twelve Jewish Apostles JD 21:94
      (Peter, James, and John already counted above.) (Names are in Matt 10:1-4 & Luke 6:13-16)

      28-39. Twelve Nephite Apostles JD 21:94
      (Including Three Nephites; names are recorded in 3 Nephi 19:4)

      40. Nephi JD 21:161; Orson Pratt Letter Box 3/11/1876 (CHO)

      41. Seth JD 21:94; HC 3:388; D&C 107:53-57

      42. Methuselah JD 21:94; HC 3:388; D&C 107:53-57

      43. Enos JD 21:94; HC 3:388; D&C 107:53-57

      44. Mahalaleel JD 21:94; HC 3:388; D&C 107:53-57

      45. Jared (Bible) HC 3:388; D&C 107:53-57

      46. Lamech JD 18:325

      47. Abel JD 18:325; HC 3:388

      48. Cainan HC 3:388; D&C 107:53-57

      49. Zelph the Lamanite T&S 6:788

      50. Alvin Smith HC 2:380

      51. Mormon JD 17:374

      52. Paul TPJS 180

      53. Eve Oliver B. Huntington Diary, Part 2, 214, BYU Library

      54. Alma JD 13:47

      55. Unnamed Angel D&C 27 (Concerning wine in Sacrament) HC 1:106
      56. Unnamed Angel Sent to accept dedication of Temple. Life of Heber C.
      Kimball, 106; Temples of the Most High, 159
      57. Unnamed angel Visited Joseph Smith three different times
      and commanded him to practice polygamy-
      Eliza R. Snow, Biography and Family Records of Lorenzo
      Snow 69-70
      58. “I saw many angels” Warren Cowdery’s Account of the First Vision.
      Joseph Smith’s First Vision, 159
      59. Satan, as an angel of Light (and his associates) D&C 128:20; JD 3:229-30

      (Susan Easton Black and Charles D. Tate, Jr., eds., Joseph Smith: The Prophet, The Man, p.184-186)

      Comment by Paul Marcel-Rene | July 4, 2011 | Reply

      • Paul,
        Joseph Smith said an angel named Moroni gave him the other gospel. Galatians 1:8 is the word of God, and nothing nullifies what God says, not even claimed appearances of God and Jesus. God would not contradict His word.

        Comment by AMG | July 4, 2011 | Reply

        • God didn’t say that He couldn’t speak again and thus would not be contradicting Himself according to Galatians 1:8.

          Comment by Paul Marcel-Rene | July 4, 2011 | Reply

          • Stay focused on God’s Word. Let us not lose sight of the fact that the Bible says, “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
            Joseph Smith said the angel Moroni gave him the other gospel of Jesus Christ. If anyone claims to love the Word of God, then they would give up all else for the Truth.

            Comment by AMG | July 4, 2011 | Reply

            • 1. Mormon Beliefs: Who is Jesus Christ?

              Mormons are Christians. Mormonism is centered on Jesus Christ and His role as creator and redeemer. He is not only the center of Mormon worship, He leads the Church personally through revelation to His prophet (the President of the Church) and by giving the authority to church priesthood-holders to act in His name. Mormons are accused of not being Christians for two reasons: 1) because the Mormon Church has cannonized scriptures in addition to the Bible, and 2) because Mormons believe in “a different Jesus.” These accusations are difficult for Mormons to comprehend. Mormons wish they had even more scriptures and know that more will be given as they are more worthy to receive them. As for a belief in a “different Christ,” Mormons have more information regarding Christ than any other church on earth.

              The Pre-Mortal Christ

              Christ was god before the earth existed. Through Him, God the Father created worlds without number. Nothing was created, except through Christ. In Mormon doctrine, the pre-mortal Christ is called “Jehovah.” When God speaks in the Old Testament, it is Jehovah that was speaking. In the Bible, to avoid using His name too often, and out of reverence, the word LORD is substituted. The Plan of Salvation teaches that God the Father is the literal father of our spirits, and that as spirits, we lived with Him before we were born with physical bodies into mortal life on earth. Christ was the firstborn of the spirit children of God the Father, and was more intelligent and gifted than all. Christ was chosen to save mankind by working out an infinite and eternal atonement—to come to this earth as the literal Only Begotten Son of God, and to put the whole plan of redemption, salvation, and exaltation in operation (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, ed. 2, p. 129).

              Mormons believe that Christ has always been a separate person from God the Father. In some ways Christ Himself is our father—He is the creator of the heavens and the earth; He is a father to all those who are born-again; He is one with God the Father in all the attributes of perfection, power, and authority.

              Jesus Christ as the Mortal Messiah

              Jesus was born into this world as the son of Mary (inheriting from her His mortality) and as the Son of God (inheriting from Him the powers of immortality). Christ grew in knowledge from grace to grace until He gained the fulness of all things. All power in heaven and earth was given to Him. He comprehends all things and is infinite in all His powers and knowledge.

              The biblical record has given us a portion of Christ’s doings and teachings during His mortal ministry. The Book of Mormon gives an account of His post-resurrection visit to descendants of Israel in the Americas. That account also claims that Christ planned next to go to the Ten Lost Tribes. Thus, we do not have every account of Christ’s doings on earth. Mormon scriptures teach that every prophet since the beginning of time, including Adam, Abraham, and Moses, had a personal witness of Christ and understood the concept of the atonement to come. All of these prophets taught their followers about the Messiah, but many of these teachings have been deleted or adulterated through the years from the biblical record.

              Jesus Christ suffered the wrath of God for all the sins of mankind both in Gethsemane and on the cross. Because of His atonement, we need not suffer for our own sins, if we choose to repent and come unto Christ. Christ also suffered all our mourning, loss, insecurities, sorrows, and mistakes, so that the atonement can lead us to peace during our mortal lives in addition to the eternities. Resurrection is His gift to all living things. Exaltation is earned on conditions of repentance.

              Christ will come again the second time in power and glory to destroy the wicked and usher in one thousand years of peace during which He will personally reign on earth. After the “Millennium,” a last final battle between good and evil will take place, wherein Christ will triumph and Satan and his followers will be cast out forever.

              The Immortal Christ

              Christ was the firstfruits of the resurrection and made resurrection possible for all. He now has a perfect and glorified resurrected body of flesh and bone and dwells with God in the Celestial Kingdom, worlds without end. He continues to rule in the eternities. Those who are saved and exalted in the highest heavenly kingdom receive all that He has—perfection, knowledge, wisdom, and power—yet never take His place as the eternal God.

              Some scriptures to ponder

              And after many days an angel of the Lord appeared unto Adam, saying: Why dost thou offer sacrifices unto the Lord? And Adam said unto him: I know not, save the Lord commanded me. And then the angel spake, saying: This thing is a similitude of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten of the Father, which is full of grace and truth. Wherefore, thou shalt do all that thou doest in the name of the Son, and thou shalt repent and call upon God in the name of the Son forevermore. And in that day the Holy Ghost fell upon Adam, which beareth record of the Father and the Son, saying: I am the Only Begotten of the Father from the beginning, henceforth and forever, that as thou hast fallen thou mayest be redeemed, and all mankind, even as many as will (Pearl of Great Price, Moses 5:6-9).

              The words of God, which he spake unto Moses at a time when Moses was caught up into an exceedingly high mountain, And he saw God face to face, and he talked with him, and the glory of God was upon Moses; therefore Moses could endure his presence. …I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all (Pearl of Great Price, Moses 1:1, 2, 6).

              And now, my beloved brethren, and also Jew, and all ye ends of the earth, hearken unto these words and believe in Christ; and if ye believe not in these words believe in Christ. And if ye shall believe in Christ ye will believe in these words, for they are the words of Christ, and he hath given them unto me; and they teach all men that they should do good. And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins. (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 33:10; 25:26-about 550 B.C.).

              Wherefore, I the Lord, knowing the calamity which should come upon the inhabitants of the earth, called upon my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and spake unto him from heaven, and gave him commandments; And also gave commandments to others, that they should proclaim these things unto the world; and all this that it might be fulfilled, which was written by the prophets—The weak things of the world shall come forth and break down the mighty and strong ones, that man should not counsel his fellow man, neither trust in the arm of flesh—But that every man might speak in the name of God the Lord, even the Savior of the world; That faith also might increase in the earth; That mine everlasting covenant might be established; That the fulness of my gospel might be proclaimed by the weak and the simple unto the ends of the world, and before kings and rulers. Behold, I am God and have spoken it; these commandments are of me, and were given unto my servants in their weakness, after the manner of their language, that they might come to understanding (Doctrine and Covenants 1:17-24).

              And while we meditated upon these things, the Lord touched the eyes of our understandings and they were opened, and the glory of the Lord shone round about. And we beheld the glory of the Son, on the right hand of the Father, and received of his fulness; And saw the holy angels, and them who are sanctified before his throne, worshiping God, and the Lamb, who worship him forever and ever. And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives! For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father— That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God (Doctrine and Covenants 76:19-24).

              Comment by Paul Marcel-Rene | July 4, 2011 | Reply

  3. Wondering…did you delete the last reply I made to you?

    Comment by AMG | July 4, 2011 | Reply

  4. Paul,
    I first posted on your site because I thought you should know the reason Christians say Mormons are not Christian. The word of God says no other gospel, there are no if, and, buts, or maybe. I love God’s Powerful Word. His Word is alive and all I want to do is everything He says.

    Comment by AMG | July 5, 2011 | Reply

    • Me too.

      Comment by Paul Marcel-Rene | July 5, 2011 | Reply

      • You say, “Me too,” but you will not believe everything written in the Bible. No other gospel means “no other gospel,” period. In addition, the Bible tells us prophecies will stop and knowledge will pass away, yet in your own comments you say that Mormons have more prophecies coming in all the time.

        1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

        Comment by AMG | July 5, 2011 | Reply

        • I believe everything in the Bible, God’s Holy Word. I just have a different interpretation of the meaning behind some of those words. My interpretation comes from many years of study, not only of the Bible, but of many commentaries of the Bible, both “classic” and modern.

          1 Corinthians 13

          “8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.”

          This passage has been used by charismatic Christians to demonstrate that the miraculous gifts of prophecy and tongues will remain in the church until the Second Coming of Christ. Non-charismatics have used this verse to argue that tongues and prophecy ceased upon the completion of the canon of Scripture or the maturing of the early church. These interpretations turn on the meaning of “the perfect” (to teleion).
          What both charismatics and non-charismatics can agree upon is that the gifts mentioned in this verse will be “done away with” (in the case of prophecy and knowledge) and will “cease” (in the case of tongues). They would also agree that the reason these gifts will not continue forever is that they are inadequate – imperfect in relation to the “perfect” that is coming. Finally, they would agree that the gifts were operative in Paul’s time and that the time of their cessation was a future event for him. The difference in interpretation lies in whether the gifts mentioned have ceased prior to our time, or whether they are still operative for us, as they were for Paul, and their cessation lies yet in the future.

          A careful reading of the text demonstrates that Paul may be drawing a distinction between tongues on the one hand and prophecy and knowledge on the other. The latter two gifts will be “done away” with (katargeo). Tongues are said to “cease” (pauo). The “perfect” will actively “do away” with the “partial.” Katargeo is in the passive voice, indicating that the coming of the “perfect” is the cause of the “partial” passing away. Tongues, however, will cease of themselves. Pauo is in the Greek middle voice, which is defined as “an action taken by the subject upon him, her, or itself” (Friberg). Thus, tongues will “cease” of themselves – not as a direct result of “the perfect” coming. If this is the case, Paul is not speaking definitively about when tongues will cease – only that when “the perfect” comes, tongues will no longer be operative in the church. “The perfect” will do away with prophecy and knowledge; but tongues will have ceased at some point prior to that event.

          Thus, even if we take “the perfect” to be the Second Coming, this verse does not teach that tongues will be active in the church at Christ’s return.

          As mentioned, “the perfect” is often taken by non-charismatics as being the completion of the canon This interpretation is possible, based on one of the meanings of teleion (“perfect, perfection, completion”). However, this interpretation seems foreign to the immediate context. As the Expositor’s Bible Commentary notes:

          It is difficult to prove the cessation of these gifts at the end of the first century A.D. by taking teleion to refer to a completion of the canon at that time, since that idea is completely extraneous to the context. While teleion can and does refer to something completed at some time in the future, the time of that future completion is not suggested in v. 10 as being close (EBC).

          Other non-charismatics take teleion to be the maturity of the church, which more or less coincides with the completion of the canon. This interpretation is contextually more plausible (1 Corinthians 12 – 14 centers on church conduct), and thematically appealing:

          There is much to commend this view, including the natural accord it enjoys with the illustration of growth and maturity which Paul used in the following verses (BKC).

          However, I find this view somewhat strained lexically. While teleion can mean “a state of maturity” when speaking of a person, there are no other NT examples of it carrying this meaning when used of a collective group or abstract noun (which must be inferred as “church” in this interpretation). An additional problem with this interpretation is the fact that Paul says in verse 12 that “at that time” (i.e., when “the perfect” comes), he will “know fully.” It does not seem reasonable to understand Paul to be saying that he expected to live to see the maturity of the church and then to “know fully.” Rather, it seems more likely that Paul here is referring to a time of spiritual completion – either when he dies and goes to be with Christ, or at the resurrection following Christ’s Second Coming.

          Indeed, many evangelical commentators understand “the perfect” to mean either the Second Coming or the perfection of the human soul that occurs when the Christian is united with Christ in death:

          On the other hand, in a number of contexts the related words telos (“end,” “termination;” “last part”) and teleo (“bring to an end”) are used in relation to the second coming of Christ. This is true in both non-Pauline writing (cf. James 5:11; Rev 20:5, 7; 21:6; 22:13) and 1 Corinthians 1:8; 15:24. Since in the contexts of the Second Coming these related words are used and since Paul himself used telos in talking about the Second Coming elsewhere in 1 Corinthians, it seems more normal to understand teleion in v. 10 to mean that “perfection” is to come about at the Second Coming, or, if before, when the Christian dies and is taken to be with the Lord (2Cor 5:1-10) (EBC).

          “But it seems that the perfect thing Paul has in mind must be the eternal state – “face to face” in verse 12 can best be explained as being with God in the new heavens and new earth. It is only in glory that we will know as we are known (John MacArthur, Charismatic Chaos, p. 389).

          But in heaven, faith will be swallowed up in actual sight, and hope in enjoyment. There is no room to believe and hope, when we see and enjoy. But there, love will be made perfect. There we shall perfectly love God. And there we shall perfectly love one another. Blessed state! how much surpassing the best below! (Henry).

          On the whole, it is probably best to take to teleion to mean the Second Coming (though the maturity of the church is possible as well). The gift of tongues will cease at some point prior to Christ’s return, while this sublime event will do away with knowledge and prophecy. These two gifts need not be taken to be miraculous manifestations, but rather the gift of knowledge that allows the believers to grasp and retain the meaning of God’s revelation and the gift of prophecy that allows teachers and pastors to powerfully and truthfully proclaim God’s Word. Indeed, the view that knowledge and prophecy would lead to new revelations would contradict the counsel of Scripture in countless other places. Spiritual gifts – whether spectacular or mundane – are always focused on God’s revelation, now complete in the pages of our Bibles.

          Comment by Paul Marcel-Rene | July 5, 2011 | Reply

          • When the Bible says, “When the perfect comes,” this means fulfilled prophecy. It does not tell us when prophecies, knowledge, and tongues will cease.

            The New Testament is of very special times, to say the least. Salvation is given to us by God through Jesus Christ, and God testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will (Hebrew 2:1-4). The gift of prophecy, new knowledge, and tongues is a gift given during the laying of the foundation of the church. The foundation has been laid (Eph 2:20).

            Mormons deliberately refuse, discount, or just ignore the plain and simple commands of the Lord. No other gospel, prophecies will cease.

            No amount of education, or studies in other languages such as Greek or Hebrew will change God’s Truth, in fact, the word of God says in 1 Corinthians 1:27 “But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

            Isaiah 44:25 who foils the signs of false prophets and makes fools of diviners, who overthrows the learning of the wise and turns it into nonsense,

            Jeremiah 8:9 The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?

            1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

            1 Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

            1 Corinthians 2:12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.

            Comment by AMG | July 5, 2011 | Reply

            • 1 Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

              He saves those who believe.

              “When the Bible says, “When the perfect comes,” this means fulfilled prophecy. It does not tell us when prophecies, knowledge, and tongues will cease.”

              If it doesn’t say when prophecies will end, then there can be prophets today.

              Comment by Paul Marcel-Rene | July 5, 2011 | Reply

              • If you believe Jesus and love him, then you would do what He commands. God tells us “no other gospel” yet you disobey greatly with that.
                As for when prophecies will stop, they stopped a long time ago—after the laying of the foundation by the apostle, prophets, and Jesus Christ Himself.

                Comment by AMG | July 5, 2011 | Reply

                • The Bible does not state that Prophecies stopped a long time again. And I am right with God and when I err, he forgives me and show me back to the right path. I obey Him is all things.

                  Comment by Paul Marcel-Rene | July 6, 2011 | Reply

                  • God testified to the message of Jesus Christ with signs, wonders, miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit. God has not so testified to the prophecies and messages of the Mormons “prophets.”

                    Hebrews 2:4 God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

                    Acts 14:3 So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders.

                    Comment by AMG | July 7, 2011 | Reply

  5. The Word of God says no other gospel. When Joseph Smith went against the written Word, he subjected himself to follow all kinds of lies.

    Comment by AMG | July 7, 2011 | Reply

    • He didn’t go against the Word of God. In fact, it was his prayer seeking guidance regarding which church he should join that led him to the woods to pray and receive what LDS Church calls, the first vision.

      Comment by Paul Marcel-Rene | July 8, 2011 | Reply

      • God would not contradict His commands He gave us in the New Testament. No other gospel means exactly that “no other gospel.” Joseph Smith might have unknowingly gone against the word of God. We are still guilty of sin even if we did not know we are sinning. In addition, there is the strong possibility that Joseph Smith had read Galatians 1:8. At that time, Smith should have repented and put away the lies he lived by. People do not want to give up their beliefs, beliefs they have invested so much in. They do not want to give up their church, their church friends, and possibly their families. If you would believe the word of God, and repent of getting in a false religion, great blessings from God through Jesus could be yours.

        Comment by AMG | July 8, 2011 | Reply

        • God never contradicts His Word since He is the Same Now and Forever.
          What unknowing sin did Joseph Smith commit? And how does anyone know another’s relationship with God and Joseph Smith’s relationship?
          I already have the greatest blessing God can offer me through His Son Jesus Christ, the guarantee of eternal life with them. I need no other blessing.
          As a Christian, I repent frequently when I fail to obey the standards set by God, but “getting in a false religion” isn’t one of my errors.

          Having moved frequently throughout my life and having changed the physical church of attendance, I do understand the desire to keep friendships developed. The denomination really doesn’t matter as long as the preached and practiced Word is there.

          Comment by Paul Marcel-Rene | July 9, 2011 | Reply

          • Paul, you said, “God never contradicts His Word since He is the Same Now and Forever.
            What unknowing sin did Joseph Smith commit? And how does anyone know another’s relationship with God and Joseph Smith’s relationship?”

            God never contradicts His Word, and God’s Word in Galatians 1:8 says no other gospel. However, Mormons say, “Here is another testament.” That IS a contradiction. God’s Word says no other gospel even if the apostles or an angel from heaven should preach it. Yet, Joseph Smith said an angel named Moroni gave him the other gospel. You just do not see how obvious it is that we can know another’s relationship with God. How powerful do you think God’s Word is? How in line with the Word do you try to stay? Do you veer to the left or to the right? Do you go beyond the written word? Alternatively, do you completely go against what God’s Word says? Now we have been discussing God’s Word in Galatians 1:8, yet you completely go against those words. Trust God’s written Word in the Holy Bible. When you do not obey what God has written, you become subject to lies and deception from demons.

            Comment by AMG | July 9, 2011 | Reply

            • Another testament: a tangible proof or tribute (http://www.merriam-webster.com) “Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.” (http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm?lang=eng)

              The Book of Mormon is Additional testament, not additional gospel.

              And, to answer your question; I, personally, remain on the straight and narrow path that leads to eternal life and when I err, I repent and am forgiven through His atonement.

              Comment by Paul Marcel-Rene | July 9, 2011 | Reply

              • You said, “The Book of Mormon is Additional testament, not additional gospel.”

                My comment: The book of Mormon IS an additional testament and that additional testament is another gospel. You are in denial.

                gos•pel
                Spelled[gos-puh l]

                –noun
                1.
                the teachings of Jesus and the apostles; the Christian revelation.
                2.
                the story of Christ’s life and teachings, especially as contained in the first four books of the new testament, namely Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
                3.
                (Usually initial capital letter ) any of these four books.

                tes•ta•ment

                Spelled[tes-tuh-muh nt]
                –noun
                1.
                Law .
                a.
                a,will, especially one that relates to the disposition of one’s personal property.
                b.
                will2 ( def. 8 ) .
                2.
                either of the two major portions of the Bible: the Mosaic or old covenant or dispensation, or the Christian or new covenant or dispensation.
                3.
                ( initial capital letter ) the new testament as distinct from the Old Testament.

                Comment by AMG | July 10, 2011 | Reply

                • ok

                  Comment by Paul Marcel-Rene | July 10, 2011 | Reply

                  • You said okay. Does that mean you agree?

                    Comment by AMG | July 11, 2011 | Reply

                    • It means I am as convinced that I am completely in a proper relationship with our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, as you are convinced that it is not possible to be so if someone is a member of the LDS church.

                      Comment by Paul Marcel-Rene | July 11, 2011

  6. […] Mormon Are Christian (paulmarcelrene.wordpress.com) […]

    Pingback by Christianity is more than word,it’s miraculous | bummyla | November 25, 2011 | Reply

  7. […] Mormons Are Christian (paulmarcelrene.wordpress.com) […]

    Pingback by That Ye Might Believe That Jesus Is the Christ « Thoughts and Truth from the Impossible Life | October 28, 2012 | Reply

  8. […] Mormons Are Christian (paulmarcelrene.wordpress.com) […]

    Pingback by Salvation and Works « Thoughts and Truth from the Impossible Life | October 28, 2012 | Reply

  9. […] Mormons Are Christian (paulmarcelrene.wordpress.com) […]

    Pingback by Chicago area Mormons, Presbyterians visit Nauvoo together « Thoughts and Truth from the Impossible Life | October 28, 2012 | Reply

  10. […] Mormons Are Christian (paulmarcelrene.wordpress.com) […]

    Pingback by Response to The God Makers by Ed Decker « Thoughts and Truth from the Impossible Life | October 28, 2012 | Reply

  11. […] Mormons Are Christian (paulmarcelrene.wordpress.com) […]

    Pingback by A Comparison of Mormonism and Christianity « Thoughts and Truth from the Impossible Life | October 28, 2012 | Reply

  12. […] Mormons Are Christian (paulmarcelrene.wordpress.com) […]

    Pingback by Mormon Apologia | November 4, 2012 | Reply


Leave a Reply

Please log in using one of these methods to post your comment:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: